2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"

[Pirate88179]

And yes jersey

All the best
jon

Cool.  I was born and raised in NJ.  In the summers, I would hang out at my Grandmother's house in Normandy Beach.  The beach is the only thing I miss about Jersey, ha ha.

Bill

[jonfrommanahawkin1]

Yeah bill, lol

I was born and raised here and if the politicians would stop being so corrupt it would be a wonderful place to live. But it's my home and I'm going to stay as long as I can.

Jon

[pomodoro]

pomodoro pick up a physics book

Not sure what your problem is john, you've done a good video and I've tried replicating the cell. I was quite enthusiastic about your post. I made one, It gives a voltage and a current and all I reported were my findings. The Magnesium does initially corrode in borax but yes, as you said it stops as it forms a protective coating. Bubbles on the copper do form,  that's water being reduced, nothing abnormal in a battery. If you wrap yours up you are not able to see these.
  I would honesty avoid mud slinging, it will wreck the thread instantly. Keep up the good work, and any others with successful replications should give you support instead of hiding. I don't know as if you made a Karpen  or a normal cell, but relax,  if it works as a Karpen, no one on here will shoot you down. Profitis  should be able to give you some great advice.

[jonfrommanahawkin1]

pomodoro, for good reason i'm sceptical about your testing ability because like profitis, when i told him how to replicate my experiment both you and him didn't follow the guide lines of how i said to conduct the  experiment. so for that i don't approve your testing plus i think you should think harder about how your posts are going to be perceived by readers

i tried to post photos of a larger battery that has already been running since december but do to serve lag i don't think it will be posted.

and like you say and why i say "I don't seek approval"

because it is what i say it is no matter how hard anyone tries it still works. Verifying an experiment  consists of duplicating it to the specifications laid out by the experimenter  not creating your own

thats why i don't approve of your testing

all the best
jon

p.s. if you were so excited about this post then why did you do the experiment any other way then how i said to do it?

[pomodoro]

Well you asked why, so here is the answer.
I did not use tap water, because no one has the same tap water.Mine could be full of magnesium, calcium, bicarbonates, carbonates,salt, the list continues. Yours might have sea monkeys for all we know. On the other hand, everyone in the world has the same deionized water.
Secondly, the corrosive/ leaching power of di water disapears when a salt is added -  borax is a salt.

You used tape around the electrodes, glue, paper,dye,starch, secret Chinese ingredients, who knows what's in there. I simply kept the electrodes separated with a hydrophobic glue, unlikely to dissolve in water, later I removed it just to be sure.
My borax is AR grade. I took it home to kill ants, hence the container. Is your AR grade or the cheaper and nastier grade?

Did you know borax is used as a pH standard. pH 9, yes alkaline, in a dilute concentration. Your saturated solution will be higher.

So instead of embarrassing you, I was doing a more accurate replication without the sea monkeys and secret herbs.  I questioned you about the borax because you did not mention that the magnesium initially corroded in it in the video.

So that's why I did it differently, but let it be known, that all replicators should do it as you say, you are correct 100%.