2nd law violation:new battery type "poor man's Karpen"

[profitis]

Don't worry I did it.it turns out that a small voltage and current is available with zero o2 in the system but it is not overunity but instead resulting from slight solubility of Bismuth metal in alkali( bismuthite ion).this will simply result in a bismuth metal concentration gradient with bismuth dissolving off anode and plating out ontop of cathode until equalization of concentrations occurs.one has to sometimes pay attention to very fine details with electrochemistry

[profitis]

The solubility of bismuth is PH dependant.the more alkaline the more soluble so I'm going to try this in mildly alkaline electrolyte now.

[MagnaProp]

Sounds good. Glad someone more versed than me is working on your idea. I just saw a "lemon" battery kit at the hobby store for powering a watch from a lemon. It'll be my first time playing with dissimilar metals.

Maybe a little corrosion needs to take place first to start the process then you can take to air out to keep it at that state longer?

[profitis]

Going to try it under hydrogen.then any corrosion process should become reversible

[profitis]

Here's it under air.tiny piece zinc in ther should swallow all o2 and liberate h2 soon