Thin Magnetic Ramp experiment

[shylo]

Hi Vidar, I'm not sure what the magnet weighs a lb or 2, but the higher it can be dropped from the more work it can do , no?
I've got the 3rd track built ,it is now runs up to 4.5in high.
It is very frustrating though as I add more track ,it keeps changing things.
When the magnet gets ~2in from the start of the track ,magnetism takes over and sucks it in. My runner is a ring magnet, it's the only magnet I use.
If upon release, the magnet were to pass by coils ,on both sides of a declining ramp , back to the start of the track, Will they not generate?
artv

[Low-Q]

Hi Vidar, I'm not sure what the magnet weighs a lb or 2, but the higher it can be dropped from the more work it can do , no?
I've got the 3rd track built ,it is now runs up to 4.5in high.
It is very frustrating though as I add more track ,it keeps changing things.
When the magnet gets ~2in from the start of the track ,magnetism takes over and sucks it in. My runner is a ring magnet, it's the only magnet I use.
If upon release, the magnet were to pass by coils ,on both sides of a declining ramp , back to the start of the track, Will they not generate?
artv

If you drop a magnet from any hight, you have to apply that potential energy by hand in advance. So the work done is actually the work your hand did when lifting the magnet. Later this work can be transfered, but loss will cause some of the energy to transform into heat instead of work.
Adding tracks will only change the conditions of how this track "communicate" with the ball. The ball will respond to any change accordingly. You will never achieve more than a moving ball triggered by energy input.


Vidar

[Floor]

@LowQ

Quote from  LowQ
Both fields are constant, and only if one of them or both are alternating (Delivering energy)
you can make this ramp work as you want."
                                                             End Quote

I am in agreement with you at least in part, under the conditions as described in my
drawings and tests, the input and output should be (according to convention) equal
before losses, and worse after losses.  The magnetic energy would have to leave the sphere
or change in direction and go back to the magnets at the right point in time, in order for there
to be some kind of alternating, from which one could expect greater energy out than energy in.

                                      cheers
                                            floor

[Low-Q]

@LowQ

Quote from  LowQ
Both fields are constant, and only if one of them or both are alternating (Delivering energy)
you can make this ramp work as you want."
                                                             End Quote

I am in agreement with you at least in part, under the conditions as described in my
drawings and tests, the input and output should be (according to convention) equal
before losses, and worse after losses.  The magnetic energy would have to leave the sphere
or change in direction and go back to the magnets at the right point in time, in order for there
to be some kind of alternating, from which one could expect greater energy out than energy in.

                                      cheers
                                            floor

That sounds simpler than it really is. Alternating a force recuire energy.
If you move 1 kg mass from one place to another, it will still be 1kg. You don't change anything by moving it around - not even with the "right timing". I believe you think more complicated than neccessary.


Vidar

[Floor]

@Low-Q

Quote from Low-Q 
"That sounds simpler than it really is. Alternating a force recuire energy.
If you move 1 kg mass from one place to another, it will still be 1kg. You don't change anything by moving it around - not even with the "right timing". I believe you think more complicated than neccessary." End Quote

Which is it ?
"That sounds simpler than it really is."   or  "I believe you think more complicated than neccessary."

What are you saying ?
1. There is no way to get work from magnets.
         or
2. There is no KNOWN way to get work from magnets ?
         or
3. This topic is not interesting to you.