Let's get Slider (aka Mark Vaughan) a nice 4-channel DSO with math functions!

[ramset]

Mark E
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I have tried to convey a very simple message to you several times now:  Charity is a finite resource.  Use it wisely.
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@ Mark E
Charity is a Big word ,implies an association with the Needy ,wanting, unable to survive unassisted etc etc
In This case I feel you are using this word as a Dig,  you don't approve.


Perhaps another perspective will shed some light ..?
  Here we have charitable fellows toiling day in and day out for those who
are needy ,wanting or unable to do for themselves, those who wish they
could have access to power of clean water or perhaps grow some crops
or provide some light or warmth or housing .


this is true Charity...


they have a dream and it involves hard work and dedication ,not some
fleeting moment playing at a hobby,each and everyone of them has a
history of selfless  giving...
Tinsel included...


so I flip your ignorant Charity comment back in your face .


Also I make note,
That these forums have need of charity ,the kind of charity which the likes of
Slider,TinselKoala,Tinman  ,itsu ,Rob Mason,Grumage,Wesley and many othere BUILDERS AND EXPERIMENTERS who very charitably donate Much time and resource for the benefit of this community
as well as those who charitably support them and others behind the scenes.
   When you believe so strongly in a cause [a better Planet] that you give until it hurts
every day....well your right MARK E sometimes you have to reflect on the burden this places on your benefactors ,there is only so much they can do for you...
  So yes these charitable men need some give back from those who would benefit from their years of selfless toiling .

so this constitutes a new direction where those who need help
and have been getting it for many years from a few dedicated researchers
[that actually do more than sit behind a desk and critique]


those folk can help themselves and other less fortunate by recognizing
that this group of men stand head and shoulders above the likes of Sterling
Allen and truly do deserve everything that we can send their way to help
them Help Us to make this a better world for all.


But you are right about at least One thing Mark E
we would not want their well to run dry...


Chet
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And yes I completely understand that this is just something you do to
pass time and you absolutely have no belief whatsoever in what we do here.
as they say in the Big House..
You do you...


I will be starting another topic on this to clarify this new direction.

[MarkE]

Mark E
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I have tried to convey a very simple message to you several times now:  Charity is a finite resource.  Use it wisely.
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Charity is a Big word ,implies an association with the Needy ,wanting, unable to survive unassisted etc etc
In This case I feel you are using this word as a Dig,  you don't approve.

Then you feel wrong.  there is no dig.  Like the many other people and organizations that seek charity you ask for donations.  That's asking for charity.  One can always ask and others can always say yes or no.  As long as fraud isn't involved any transactions are the business of the participants. 

My message isn't hidden or nuanced.  There's a finite supply of donors  Use it wisely. 

Perhaps another perspective will shed some light ..?
  Here we have charitable fellows toiling day in and day out for those who
are needy ,wanting or unable to do for themselves, those who wish they
could have access to power of clean water or perhaps grow some crops
or provide some light.

Well, that would be true if those fellows would not be doing what they do if it were not for requests from others.  Responsibility follows those who make the decisions.  Others may benefit, and they do they may be grateful or not.  They may decide to show gratitude materially or not. 

this is true Charity...

A wise fellow once said that the only true charity is anonymous.

they have a dream and it involves hard work and dedication ,not some
fleeting moment playing at a hobby,each and everyone of them has a
history of selfless  giving...
Tinsel included...

What motivates people unseen could be anything.  I have not made any attempt to guess.

so I flip your nasty self righteous  condescending Charity comment back in your face .

Basically, you have been flipping out reading all kinds of fantastical ideas into what has been a simple and sincere piece of advice.

Also I make note,
That these forums have need of charity ,the kind of charity which the likes of
Slider,TinselKoala,Tinman  ,itsu ,Rob Mason,Grumage, and many othere BUILDERS AND EXPERIMENTERS who very charitably donate Much time and resource for the benefit of this community
as well as those who charitably support them and others behind the scenes.
When you believe so strongly in a cause [a better Planet] that you give until it hurts
every day....well your right MARK E sometimes you have to reflect on the burden this places on your benefactors ,there is only so much they can do for you...
  So yes these charitable men need some give back from those who would benefit from their years of selfless toiling .

Again that's the Catch-22 with true Charity:  Someone acting out of true charity does not seek anything in return, not even recognition.  If others choose to support and/or reward what they see as worthy good works, that is up to them to decide.  No matter how good the works, some will and others won't.  The number who will is finite.

so this constitutes a new direction where those who need help
and have been getting it for many years from a few dedicated researchers
[that actually do more than sit behind a desk and critique]

If you hae something to say, why don't you just say it?

those folk can help themselves and other less fortunate by recognizing
that this group of men stand head and shoulders above the likes of Sterling
Allen and truly do deserve everything that we can send their way to help
them Help Us to make this a better world for all.

First, evaluation of the worth of any person's work is in the eye of the beholder.  There is no moral obligation for one to support the efforts of another just because someone thinks that they are doing something valuable.  If someone thinks that they are doing something valuable or could do something valuable if only they could find a patron, they are free to seek out the charity of one or more patrons.  Different people will always have different ideas about the value of any other person's efforts.  While I think TK does great work, there are nutters who think he is an agent of big oil.  Nothing compels those nutters to contribute towards TK's ongoing work.  Conversely, there are people you believe are doing valuable work that others will assess quite differently.

B[size=78%]ut you are right about at least One thing Mark E [/size]
we would not want their well to run dry...


Chet
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And yes I completely understand that this is just something you do to
pass time and you absolutely have no belief whatsoever in what we do here.

I don't believe in extraordinary claims that lack evidence.

as they say in the Big House..
You do you...

I've never been a guest of the State.  I wouldn't know.  Occasionally fraudsters like Greg Potter end up in such places.

I will be starting another topic on this and will not post another word here.

[ramset]

Mark E
your liking the association as presented here as charity
would be like the captain of a sinking ship calling the food and
support of those keeping his boat afloat Charity...
here there is a symbiotic relationship which is much more personal
to the task at hand .


however your disinterest in assisting those that are helping keep your boat a float
and referring to their needs as charity  speak volumes.


I will leave you to your tower and unique perspective ,I have to go grab a pail...

[MarkE]

Mark E
your liking the association as presented here as charity
would be like the captain of a sinking ship calling the food and
support of those keeping his boat afloat Charity...

You ask for donations.  That's charity.  There's nothing wrong with it per-se.  It is what it is.  I have no idea why it upsets you so.

here there is a symbiotic relationship which is much more personal
to the task at hand .

If you are referring to the relationship between the donors and your group one can always hope that both sides are satisfied with the results.

however your disinterest in assisting those that are helping keep your boat a float
and referring to their needs as charity  speak volumes.

Spades are spades even if you refuse to recognize them.  My flotilla seems to be doing just fine independent of the efforts of slider.

I will leave you to your tower and unique perspective ,I have to go grab a pail...

Do as you like.

[Jimboot]

I have tried to convey a very simple message to you several times now:  Charity is a finite resource.  Use it wisely.

If I were considering equipping someone who might casually chase an unusual idea, I think that I would be inclined to purchase the gear, and loan it rather than gift it.  That way if the equipment does not see good use, I would at least have the theoretical option of redeploying it some place else.

It's just a bunch of blokes chipping in for a mate. Pretty common over here.