-----> Magnet Motor Drives Generator for FREE JUICE.

[ramset]

Mark E
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Strong arguments are backed by reliable:  IE verifiable facts.
end quote


Soo what happened Here ??


Can you please take a moment to list your evidence against Wasif ?***[or Steven Mark Or Andrea Parkhomov or whoever]
For that is exactly what I feel needs doing here ,and then people can decide for themselves whether
a Complete investigation has lead to your conclusion [fraud thief and liar] ,or just some time watching
a video with some chums....?


I say that your Bold claim  against Wasif requires do diligence or should be rescinded to  "opinion " status.
anything less would be a disservice to the Investigatory process.


In My opinion you play quite lightly with the rights of others and have no problem at all telling lies


as an example you say quite often that I support claims and persons which I have never supported.



what I do support is Honesty and when you say you have investigated a claim and you have found
a man guilty of fraud , theft and  deception ,that statement requires a certain process to have taken place.


such is not the case here.


This could all be made clear in a bench mark post ,and should.. so as to not keep deceiving readers[which cuts both ways]


The post could read like this
Below are some opinions on this Video and its apparent claims
Member Joey sites what he feels is an in appropriate connection between the components
Member Petey says he sees a hidden power cord at the 1 minute 29sec Mark
Member Mikey says he believes the Generator is really powering this device he sites the 1 minute 40 sec mark
ETC ETC ETC

we have asked the Inventor for clarity on these and other questions,  he has offered to show an engineer a test
as of this date no proper test or explanation has been forthcoming,
we feel this claim can not be taken seriously at this time.


Please advise us if you have more information on this claim.


respectfully
Supreme Being............

[MarkE]

Mark E
Quote
Strong arguments are backed by reliable:  IE verifiable facts.


Soo what happened Here ??


Can you please take a moment to list your evidence against Wasif ?***[or Steven Mark Or Andrea Parkhomov or whoever]

Each scam I have evaluated, I have posted the basis of my evaluation.  Now, what's comically ironic here is how you have claimed that analyses of these various scams were unfair while implying that you are not familiar with them.  Got a mirror Chet?

Just for fun let's look at damning evidence Wasif's first video included:

It was clearly observable that the flexible coupling wound up from the "generator" side towards the "motor" side.  That means that the "generator" was the mechanical driver, and not the claimed motor.

He claimed several kW electric power load.  The loads were switched on before the motor started.  The device rotates at low speeds.  The corresponding reflected load torque would be hundreds of N*m.  A person is seen easily moving the freely moving shaft applying a small fraction of a N*m.  This established that the "generator" did not power the load.

Either of those observations both completely kill Wasif Kaloon's claims as well as establish that he was deliberate in his fakery.  Why has it taken you over a year to inform yourself?

For that is exactly what I feel needs doing here ,and then people can decide for themselves whether
a Complete investigation has lead to your conclusion [fraud thief and liar] ,or just some time watching
a video with some chums....?

LOL, perhaps you can explain what a "Complete investigation" must include, and why.  Keep in mind the above comedy.

I say that your Bold claim  against Wasif requires do diligence or should be rescinded to  "opinion " status.
anything less would be a disservice to the Investigatory process.

LOL, you are entitled to hold any ideas you like, no matter how silly and by your own account: ill informed.

In My opinion you play quite lightly with the rights of others and have no problem at all telling lies

And what would be an example of one of these lies you allege?

as an example you say quite often that I support claims and persons which I have never supported.

You are in this very message supporting Wasif Kaloon, while denying the same.

what I do support is Honesty and when you say you have investigated a claim and you have found
a man guilty of fraud , theft and  deception ,that statement requires a certain process to have taken place.

So you say.  Yet, you support charlatans and frauds, while denying that you do so.  How honest is that Chet?  You say that evaluations of those frauds were inadequate and unfair yet you also feign unfamiliarity with those evaluations.  How honest is that Chet?

such is not the case here.

By your  words you are not in a position to make such an evaluation because according to you, you are not familiar with how the conclusions were reached. Apparently, in your great crusade for defense of the indefensible you have yet to actually counter any of the observations used in the evaluations that you dispute.

This could all be made clear in a bench mark post ,and should.. so as to not keep deceiving readers[which cuts both ways]

Yes, Chet everyone builds or destroys their credibility by how what they say matches reality.  How do you think you are doing in that regard?  Do you still think that Greg Potter can possibly have a "water powered generator" when there is no physical basis for such a thing and Greg Potter himself acknowledges that water does not supply energy to his "water powered generator"?  If so:  why? Now that you have been informed again (TK did it just a few days ago) that Wasif's "motor" is shown in his own videos to be driven and not driving do you think Wasif's motor can possibly be a motor, much less a self-powering one?  If so, why?

The post could read like this
Below are some opinions on this Video and its apparent claims
Member Joey sites what he feels is an in appropriate connection between the components
Member Petey says he sees a hidden power cord at the 1 minute 29sec Mark
Member Mikey says he believes the Generator is really powering this device he sites the 1 minute 40 sec mark
ETC ETC ETC

we have asked the Inventor for clarity on these and other questions,  he has offered to show an engineer a test
as of this date no proper test or explanation has been forthcoming,
we feel this claim can not be taken seriously at this time.


Please advise us if you have more information to the contrary .


respectfully
Supreme Being............

I am sorry but the Flying Spaghetti Monster is too busy spreading the glow of his noodly appendage to engage you.  You will have to settle for me at this time.

[ramset]

 Mark E
An analysis of a you tube video is a long way from a formal investigation (which would require participation from
The inventor)
So you are left with an opinion ,that is all ,  you can have no true claim of fraud with out proper evidence.
Any judge would laugh you out of the court room.


Unless you are a fascist and do not require do process of law.


End of story.
regarding your boldface lies  in which you say I endorse unproven technologies...
Well that is just a lie and you know it.


I support proper investigation with the cooperation of the inventor and would never call a man a thief or fraud with out evidence,nor would I endorse something which was unproven.
I would state an opinion and note it as such.
You just never know what may or may not be true .


I keep an open mind and hope for the best.


I have no idea why Fatbird keeps posting these old vids as new,  however it has served some useful
Purpose ,I did not know Mark E was a hired gun for free energy investors and I. Suppose
That could be a reason Stefan's forum views have dropped by 2/3 in the last year ,and perhaps
It hinders many from sharing their open source work here knowing an agent for investors watches 24/7


I have seen this 1st hand and can completely appreciate how this can stifle open source .


Mark E your willingness to spread untruths as well as twist words towards your own agenda
Speak volumes about your character .
Every single news article or claim to come across these pages whether from a prestigious university or NASA or whomever you Poop on it...every last one.


I don't care how good you are at your job ,your lack of integrity makes that moot .


I think one of the biggest reasons you push so hard is you hope some one pushes back with the golden goose....and I completely believe you would run right out the door with it..


Fair thee well

[Pirate88179]

Chet:

Seriously,  a lot of things can be learned from a simple video, if you know what to look for and understand physics and electronics.  Not
everything, of course, but if I made a wild claim about running my entire home from a single AA battery and produced a video 'showing" this...
you would not have to meet me in person, nor examine my device to KNOW this is not true.  Then, add to this, a close examination of my video reveals extension cords and a pile of car batteries in the background, and now you can really know that my device is a fake.

The smart guys on here, as I call them as a term of respect, see things in some of these videos that I do not...until I look again after knowing where to look...and...there it is.  I don't know if you have experienced this or not but it has happened to me several times.

It's like...duh, I do see an extension cord...what is that doing there?  Even though I never noticed it during the first viewing.  Or, because of their knowledge, they see a scope shot and say that is the wrong wave form for this..or whatever.

You, I believe, are good at your job.  Do you think that you and I would see the same thing when we looked at one of your projects that you are examining/inspecting?  I know we would not.  You would know what to look for and where to look for them...I might just see a bridge.

Anyway,  I hope my point get through here.

Bill

[memoryman]

Well said, Bill.
I've had numerous email exchanges with Wasif himself and he is a total fraud; does not understand physics or electronics if it bit him in the @$$. Don't have to visit him to know that.