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Magnetic Engine

Started by vineet_kiran, February 10, 2012, 08:34:41 AM

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Newton II

Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 05, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
This is not accurate.  What is shown here in that video, no matter how you orient the magnet, the fields will induce in the same direction.
causing Attraction, not repulsion.  follow

magnet [N : S ] -> [N(ball)S] -> [N(steel)S]  OR   magnet [S : N] -> [S(ball)N] -> [S(steel)N]



May be you are right.   But what I feel is,  when you keep a steel ball on a magnet, same type of flux coming from bottom magnet covers entire surface of ball inducing one type of pole on the entire surface of ball and opposite pole will be concentrated at the inside mass centre of the ball.  In this case the concentrated pole at the centre will be stronger than pole on the entire surface which is distributed over larger surface area!!!  (not sure)




sm0ky2

Quote from: Newton II on March 05, 2015, 09:33:09 PM

May be you are right.   But what I feel is,  when you keep a steel ball on a magnet, same type of flux coming from bottom magnet covers entire surface of ball inducing one type of pole on the entire surface of ball and opposite pole will be concentrated at the inside mass centre of the ball.  In this case the concentrated pole at the centre will be stronger than pole on the entire surface which is distributed over larger surface area!!!  (not sure)

IF that were the case, than making a "monopole" would be that simple, unfortunately it is not.
here is a drawing to visualize what actually takes place when you stick a steel ball onto a magnet.
you can see this by bringing another magnet near the other side of the ball and experimenting with the attraction and repulsion forces of the two poles. When you roll the ball around, the pole orientation stays pretty much the same, changing the internal flux through the ball material.
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

CANGAS

Quote from: Low-Q on March 05, 2015, 02:18:13 PM
1. Mumetal is good. It does not as much as iron become magnetized, but it will not make any practical outcome of the experiment.
2. Is 6 times larger something you have experimentet with, or is it just an example of the shields size?
3. Agree. At least something non magnetic.
4. Gears are better than belt transmission - even if the belt has teeth. Less friction with gears, but the timing part will not change the outcome of the system.


Vidar



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_%28mechanical%29

The mechanical engineering rule of thumb is that:

A gear drives loses 10% of input power to friction each time that one gear meshes with another.

A film belt drive loses 2% in each case of one belt connecting two pulleys.

A flat belt drive loses 2% in each case of one belt connecting two pulleys.

A toothed timing belt drive loses 2% in each case of one belt connecting two pulleys.

A v belt drive...Fugget about it.

A chain drive loses 1% to 10% in each case of one chain connecting two sprockets, depending of course on the condition of the setup.


You are welcome
CANGAS 145

vineet_kiran

Quote from: Low-Q on March 05, 2015, 01:22:52 PM

First off: A uniform magnetic field does not attract or repel anything.


You have totally mistaken the working concept.   Uniform magnetic field is not in the sense that flux density is same starting from the pole to  any given distance from the pole outside the magnet.

I said uniform magnetic field in the sense that flux density in any plane parallel to a lengthy pole  will be same at all points because all points on a parallel plane (plane of shield)  will be equi-distant  from the pole.  This plane (or shield) will be obviously attracted towards pole because flux density is more near the poles but it can be moved in that parallel plane without experiencing any force.

Quote from: Low-Q on March 05, 2015, 01:22:52 PM
Second: If the magnets is repelling eachother, it is harder to remove the iron plate than put it in place when the small magnet is not present.

That force can be totally eliminated by suitably arranging the magnets.  Shield and the magnet are two separate materials and forces acting on them will act as external forces.  Hence by properly arranging vaious forces,  you can eliminate the net effective force.  See the shielding arrangement which I have posted vide attachment in my earlier reply.

Quote from: Low-Q on March 05, 2015, 01:22:52 PM
Some how, the energy you gain by sync. the shielding, will be taken back by removing the iron plate. It's true. I have tried.

There is no point in just making one attempt and lift your hands up.  You have to try with different combinations and designs just as Edison encountered 5,000 failures before he made a working lead-acid battery.