Overunity motor, part3, all 4 recharging bats reading at 1.400 volts now.

[MileHigh]

Sm0ky2:

From time to time on the forums you encounter people that either pretend or believe that they know a lot about electronics or they "fake" that they know a lot about electronics.  The problem is is that you really can't get away with that.  It's just impossible to do that because there is a large body of knowledge out there to absorb, and just "dropping buzzwords" or trying to leverage what you know into areas that you don't know is basically impossible.  When someone is doing this they tend to reveal themselves very quickly.  Usually within five or less points made, they are revealed.

It looks to me like you believe that you know what you are talking about.  But again, you just can't accumulate bits of pieces of stuff that you have read, even if you have been doing it for a long time, and then "proclaim" to yourself that you know what you are talking about.  Also, if you have been accumulating a lot of information about electronics from the free energy forums, that information is often wrong, so you end up accumulating a corrupted view of how electronics really works.

A Joule Thief is just a timing circuit designed to switch a transistor on and off fairly quickly, along with an inductor that gets energized and discharged trough an LED.  That's all that it is, nothing more than that.  It's a switching circuit, sometimes referred to as a pulse circuit.

When the transistor switches on, the inductor gets energized.  When the transistor switches off, the inductor discharges through the LED.  There is no resonance at play here, just on and off switching.  It doesn't even make any sense to switch the transistor on and off at the self resonant frequency of the inductor.  That is "not even wrong."

So, you need to hit that old "reset button" and realize that whatever "system" you have accumulated in your mind about electronics is both wrong and lacking in a lot of information.

There are some people around here that really really know their stuff and you would be wise to listen to what they have to say.

MileHigh

[MarkE]

Hmm......
Someone didn't read their Tesla......

The spark gap, via the break-down voltage controls the FREQUENCY of the discharge.
which is (should be set to ) RESONANT with the LC coil properties.
i.e. switch timing.

The dimension of the spark gap impact the repetition rate based on the power supplied to the input.  That is because the gap width sets the voltage at which the break down occurs.  This is completely independent of the LC resonant frequency.  The driving oscillator at the input needs to drive at or close to the LC resonant frequency.

This is the same function the transistor performs in the JT circuit.
You still deny this,  I can throw these examples at you all day, you are just blinding yourself to the most obvious fact in electronics, which was made evident to us at the beginning of its' history...

The JT circuit does not have a resonant tank.  The circuit is a variation of a blocking oscillator.  The frequency depends heavily on the saturation flux of the transformer and the supply voltage.  The JT transistor on time gets longer and longer as the battery voltage drops.

http://powerbyproxi.com/wireless-power/


On resonant octaves (harmonics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_resonance

There is no sympathetic resonance occurring in a JT.  "Resonant octaves" is a term of your invention.  An octave is a 2X frequency relationship.  Harmonics can be any integer.  You are either doing a put on routine, or you are completely out of your depth.

[sm0ky2]

@ MileHigh

if you don't understand how the resonance effects the charging / discharging of a ceramic ferromagnetic core, air-cores, or other such inductive coupling effects, why are you arguing against such action?
I'm not here to argue back and forth about silly misconceptions.
There are thousands of references to this, I can only read through so many, but
don't take my word for it, see what others far beyond the scope of my knowledge have to say
[Now - some of this is applied to "wireless transmission", but for all intensive purposes, the transformers we are discussing use an inductive coupling and there is no direct electrical connection, so the information applies to both Tesla and JT.]

Here's what some of the best universities and institutions on the face of our planet have to say on the issue.

http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/45429/317879200.pdf
http://rfic.eecs.berkeley.edu/142/pdf/book_chap7.pdf
http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs-wm/26759.pdf
http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1182&context=eeng_fac

This discusses fluorescent lamp ballasts, so the circuitry is double to accommodate bi-directional current from an A/C signal
but the same applies to a simplified circuit
http://ecee.colorado.edu/copec/paper_archives/designofresonant_may2007.pdf

This one is a long read, mostly talking about applications specific to their device, but Chapter 4 has a nice explanation pertinent to our discussion
http://www.ksp.kit.edu/download/1000036098

here is a rep from Microchip Technologies, discussing the process in an edition of Power Electronics magazine
http://powerelectronics.com/regulators/llc-resonant-converters-increase-efficiency-dc-dc-applications

http://www.raftabtronics.com/TECHNOLOGY/ElectromagneticBasics/TransformerBasics/tabid/110/Default.aspx#Resonant_transformers    - the remnants of Caledonia one of the biggest players in the transformer field since 1940


http://www.raftabtronics.com/TECHNOLOGY/ElectromagneticBasics/TransformerBasics/tabid/110/Default.aspx#Resonant_transformers  - a TI device, that maximizes efficiency using the principle

and i'll even throw another wiki link in here for shits and giggles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_inductive_coupling
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NOW - let's tie this information back into the topic at hand, and learn how the energy that is not destroyed by our self-induced obliviousness, can be conserved in our circuitry.

here is a commercially available device that does just that
http://peakenergytech.com/products/  but how does it work?
This device is placed in the return path (-) side of the current flow, after the device has used what it needs to operate.
   The remaining electricity is then cycled back through the loop, to be further used by the devices in your home.
parallel capacitors and/or batteries are used in a manner almost identical to the set-up shown in the battery recharging video, modified for 60Hz A/C


An inventor in Jamaica has a similar thing going on
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/environment/RECYCLING-waste-electricity

[MileHigh]

Sm0ky2:

For starters, what I stated to you in my previous posting is important and true and you haven't acknowledged it.

if you don't understand how the resonance effects the charging / discharging of a ceramic ferromagnetic core, air-cores, or other such inductive coupling effects, why are you arguing against such action?
I'm not here to argue back and forth about silly misconceptions.
There are thousands of references to this, I can only read through so many, but
don't take my word for it, see what others far beyond the scope of my knowledge have to say
[Now - some of this is applied to "wireless transmission", but for all intensive purposes, the transformers we are discussing use an inductive coupling and there is no direct electrical connection, so the information applies to both Tesla and JT.]

Above you are trying a bait-and-switch on me.  We are talking about a Joule Thief.

Your first pdf is entitled, "Power Transfer Through Strongly Coupled Resonances."
Your second pdf is entitled, "Resonance and Impedance Matching."
Your third pdf is entitled, "Maximizing Efficiency of EM Resonance Wireless Power Transmission with Adaptive Circuits."

Those three pdfs have nothing to do with a Joule Thief.

You gotta be real, man.  Just pointing your fingers in all different directions to information that is not relevant to the subject at hand does not advance your argument at all.

if you don't understand how the resonance effects the charging / discharging of a ceramic ferromagnetic core, air-cores, or other such inductive coupling effects, why are you arguing against such action?

The above statement doesn't really make sense.  You are just winging it and throwing spaghetti at the wall but it is not sticking.

You gotta be real.

This link:  http://peakenergytech.com/products/

That looks like a totally BS web site to me.

They say this, "The Peak Energy Saver reduces the amount of power drawn from the utility by storing electricity otherwise lost from the motors in your home. The unit supplies this stored electricity back to your appliances, decreasing demand from the utility. Lower demand means lower electric bills!"

The statement above is pure crap.  It's almost certainly a piece of junk from scammers that sell junk to unknowing and gullible people.

his device is placed in the return path (-) side of the current flow, after the device has used what it needs to operate.
   The remaining electricity is then cycled back through the loop, to be further used by the devices in your home.

Not a chance in the world, this is quackery.

Going back to the real subject at hand, it's the Joule Thief.  The Joule Thief has nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of self resonance of an inductor.  Your statements about this are wrong.   You disagree?  Then I challenge you to post a circuit and a timing diagram that shows this with a full explanation by you.

Likewise, on the matter of "energy recycling" I already challenged you to post a circuit and a timing diagram fully explaining that in an earlier posting.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Sm0ky2:

Some follow-up comments on this:

http://peakenergytech.com/products/

Only in the picture does the label state that it is a power factor correction unit.  They don't state that on the web page, which is why I trashed it at first.  I don't know much about power factor correction units for the home or industry, so I can't really comment much.  It may or may not be legit.  However, the web page is pure BS as far as I am concerned.  All that I can say is I have very rarely heard about the need for one in the home.  I know that computer power supplies are typically not power factor friendly but I suppose it depends on the model.

This critical thing to keep in mind is that a PFC correction unit operates within the timing of a single cycle of the AC mains power.  This statement by you, "This device is placed in the return path (-) side of the current flow, after the device has used what it needs to operate." is wrong.

I attached a picture of the device.  The wire gage going in the bottom of the box doesn't look right to me at all.  I am also suspicious about the UL label and I think it is lacking a proper registration number.  So this company's device doesn't smell right to me.

I am attaching a document about industrial power faction correction from Eaton, which is a 100% legit company for anyone that wants to do more research.

MileHigh