Overunity motor, part3, all 4 recharging bats reading at 1.400 volts now.

[TinselKoala]

Hi TinselKoala,

Just for fun, would you connect a capacitor between the collector and base of the transistor?     I do not know the oscillating frequency,  perhaps a 22 pF or maybe higher sounds good for a test I think in the some 10 kHz range.  Then check whether oscillation starts for battery voltage switch-on, without tickling.

Gyula

I tried some small capacitors between B and C and also other places already and they don't work. The oscillation frequency is surprisingly high, over 500 kHz. (But dropping slowly as batteries discharge.)

[memoryman]

"This tells us that Tinman was right that Miller capacitance is the energy source. " I am sure that Mark meant that : capacitors are a energy storage medium, not an energy source. Is that how you understood that, Tinman?

[Floor]

@minnie

Quote from minnie "To the likes of Floor and sm0key,
                MarkE , TK, MH  etc. are trying to educate, read and learn before making
   comments, everything they say can be verified. If any of them err and you point
   out they'll retract or amend as necessary, we should all be on the same side!" end quote

                    "MarkE , TK, MH  etc. are trying to educate,"

Educating and instructing are two distinct things, surely related but distinct.
I suggest that you take your own advise and investigate this IN DEPTH by means of 
"read and learn before making comments"

Will you now, in following their good example verify, then "retract and amend" ?

If and when I or anyone else wishes instruction, we can ask for it. yes ? no ?

---------------  END OF MY INSTRUCTING PHASE -------------------------------
This was just to make a point,(I hope for a good cause)

Notice please, that in my comments above:

1. when "I suggest"  I am subtly implying that you need directions (instructing)
2. I imply that you never or don't often  follow YOUR OWN ADVICE  (insult)
3. that you are not thorough."(IN DEPTH)"  (insult)
4. I throw your own words back in your face, as they say
    which implys the question (how do you like it), and furthers it implies that
   a. I wish pain upon you
   b. that I think you deserve this pain or that it will teach you a lesson  and so on
   "read and learn........"
5. Taunt you "will you now ...."
6. devalue your opinion and then dismiss " If and when I or ........."

At the OU forum, unlike at a university, I'm not being extorted with the threat of the loss
of some enormous tuition I have paid, nor with expulsion.  These are not methods of education,
by the way, they are methods of enforcing authoritarianism.  While education and authoritarianism
are inherently counter to one another,  instruction and authoritarianism are not.

I think Stephan understands this distinction, and it is one of the reasons, banning from
the OU forum is as uncommon as it is. I have great respect for that vision./choice, in spite of the
difficulties it some times presets us all with.

People can learn a lot faster (better) when punishment, ranking and authoritarianism are taken
out of the equasion.  The OU forum is one of many proofs of this "new model"

"everything they say can be verified."
Only to a point.  I don't think this is generally (in science) a problem.  However, it is a problem
when we consider, that, the fundamental principles of science (such as the conservation of energy)
may be inherently at odds with over unity research.  This doesn't mean that we as people have to be.

That all for now
                     floor

[TinselKoala]

Scopeshot with Base signal included. Essentially identical to the shot that MarkE showed.

(The Tek 2213a delayed timebase function was used to display the single pulse nicely centered on the screen.)

[TinselKoala]

"This tells us that Tinman was right that Miller capacitance is the energy source. " I am sure that Mark meant that : capacitors are a energy storage medium, not an energy source. Is that how you understood that, Tinman?

The puzzle of this circuit has been to find the energy "source"  for the transistor Base that is able to turn the transistor on enough to oscillate. The capacitance provides this energy, even though it originally comes from the battery or other power supply source. It's a loose way of speaking but not inaccurate ... after all, even the batteries aren't the absolute original "source" of the energy involved. One can trace back to the sun (hydroelectric or fossil fuels) or nuclear powerplants ... or even further back to the mysterious Big Bang quantum fluctuation that may have caused all of this ... but trying to find and define the absolute ultimate "source" of energy will always tangle up science and philosophy.