Is Newton's Law At Risk?

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4v .064 spinning the disc

4v .049 free hanging

I am not sure where f=ma is not being observed.

Mondrasek has a nice sim of something very similar to this and he was able to show what I could not measure,, that was the balanced nature of the input forces to output.

The input torque is in accelerating the weights,, the transfer torque is passed through the string.

The amps were slowly dropping during the entire duration of the spinning disc test.  The difference between the spinning disc and the free hanging test is due to the friction of the bearings that the motionless axis is sitting on, along with the friction and tension of the rope.  The rope is actually sliding on the one way bearing during half of the cycle, and this kinetic friction is acting as a slight load on the system.  This is why I suggested to replace the one way bearing with a scroller wheel, in addition to converting the full reciprocating motion to a rotary motion.  This is also the very reason why Karanev is using custom electronic clutchs and is how he's achieving the exponential efficiencies in his modified device. 

The only load this system will experience is in the kinetic friction that is inherent in the system.  However, this doesn't mean a counter torque is being transferred from the flywheel to the prime mover, due to reasons we find in Linevich's and Karanev's publications. Whoopy's crude replication is more of a proof of concept in how to bypass Newton's law.


Gravock

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If there was a counter torque in this system, then there would be a net rotation of the prime mover. There was neither a net rotation of the prime mover in the free hanging test, nor a net rotation of the prime mover in the spinning disc/flywheel test, thus Newton's third law doesn't apply in this case.


Gravock

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Also, let's not forget the electric motor that is driving the unbalanced purple gears is also acting as a generator itself.  Solve this issue, and it may be possible to self loop the system.

According to Linevich, there's a similar case of default of the third law known in electrical engineering at the interaction of two mutually perpendicular elements of a current (or charges). 

Reference: 

http://www.tts.lt/~nara/amper/neutron.html

http://scripturalphysics.org/4v4a/motion_couplers.html

Gravock

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Ask Mondrasek for the sim,, and ask him to explain it.

There is an oscillation between the prime mover accelerating the weight and the weight accelerating the prime mover.

The prime mover  is seeing a force in both directions, this is the resistance from the string, a net zero condition if you will,, and so it will pass on some of its force into the string,, as well as the weight will pass on some of its force,, but the weight gets its force FROM the prime mover.

Speed up the motor and what happens??  with this change in reactionary distance what then??

Webby,

Starting around 4m15s in the video of the OP, Whoopy moves the gear set and motionless axis back and forth by hand to simulate an oscillation.  This hand movement in no way causes the unbalanced gears to rotate and in no way causes the spindle of the motor to move.  However, the hand movement does induce the flywheel to rotate.  We can clearly see there is no reaction force on the prime mover or motor during the hand movements and rotation of the flywheel.  Also,  the volts/amps remain at 0 during the hand movements, thus another indicator for the absence of a reaction force. 

P.S.  My ex g/f has been holding my computer as hostage, and I doubt their is an android app to run the sim.  Also, my home internet connection has been down since my last post.  I had to use a free wi-fi hotspot to make this post.

Gravock

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Mondrasek has a nice sim of something very similar to this and he was able to show what I could not measure,, that was the balanced nature of the input forces to output.

Webby,

A sim is only as good as the theories and laws in which the coded program is based on.  For example, physicists have observed a violation of one of the oldest empirical laws of physics at the University of Bristol.  If you had a sim which was coded based on this law, then the sim would never show a violation of this law. 

We can then take the theory in how this 150 yr. old physics law was broken and recode the sim based on this new theory and the sim would then show a violation of this particular law in order to be inline with what the emperical evidence shows.

Same thing applies to Newton's law.  The sim will never show a violation of Newton's law if the sim is coded based on the laws of Newton, even if it's contrary to other emperical evidence.  If we recoded the sim according to Linevich's theory on how to break the third law of Newton, as found in his publication, then we would see a violation of Newton's third law in a simulation of Whoopy's replication.

Reference:  150-Year-Old Physics Law Broken, http://phys.org/news/2011-07-bristol-physicists-year-old-law.html

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