SSG-No Bloody Secrets

[tinman]

That's a nice video that shows a well thought-out experiment.  The only thing that you might have added is to explain that the 1 Ohm resistor experiments you refer to are where the charge battery is emulated by a 1 Ohm resistor.  The hapless purveyors of secrets insist that because the resistor is cold, the circuit is receiving "radiant energy".  The resistor remains cold because the as your demonstration proves: the SSG doesn't deliver squat for power to the charge battery.  BTW, you can replace the bulb with a 12V lead acid battery and the results will remain under unity.

I took the liberty of rerawing your circuit to emphasize a couple of points.  The most important point I think is that the SSG is at its heart nothing more than a power converter.  The run battery is the power source, the charge battery is the power load, and the silly spinning bicycle wheel is kinetic art.  There are parts that one can purchase off the shelf today that perform a similar voltage boost function that are used in automotive applications.  Those converters sport 90% and higher efficiencies.  But they lack the spinning kinetic art.

Cheers Mark.

[Hoppy]

I gave up on Bedini technology a while ago.  Using the equation for the inductor (E= 1/2 LI^2)  and Capacitor (1/2 CV^2),  I was able to measure and calculate the energy from the spikes.  It turns out that those spikes are only 1/2 of the energy stored in the inductor (per pulse) and that's with a mechanical switch and a very fast diode. I just couldn't believe that I didn't bother to do this test for a very long time. I could have saved myself a lot of headache.


The way the SSG circuit is designed,  there is no way it can go overunity. Putting a boost converter along the line deludes people into thinking they have more energy, but it really doesn't.  The numbers are just different. Bottom line is that we need Watts IN vs. Watts Out measurement.   However, There is another circuit that does have a potential, but i'm too burned out with this BS.  I don't feel like touching another bedini setup anytime soon.

The official claim has only ever been that the resultant 'spikes' have an effect on the battery chemistry which results in more energy out than in when the energiser system is built and tuned correctly. Furthermore, that there is no requirement to measure the collective energy in the spikes, as the important radiant energy 'captured' in the spikes cannot be measured using conventional instruments and methods. 'Built and tuned correctly' are the optimum words that provide a get out clause, as a builder claiming that his or her energiser is running underunity, can simply be told that this is because its built and / or tuned incorrectly.

[Madeo]

I beg to differ.  I have yet to see anyone (since I started this journey in 2007) who have managed to show overunity with Bedini systems. That's a long time!! Hundreds of people around the world replicating it,  some are far more talented and knowledgeable than me,  and they have no overunity results.  Tuning it doesn't do squat..


I understand what they're talking about regarding battery chemistry. Bedini systems is basically a desulfator allowing prolonged, if not improved,  battery performance especially old worn out batteries. An average lead acid battery last 5 years under normal use,  but this system could possibly prolong its use a few more years or so.  Does this mean this is overunity??  I don't think so.


Measuring the energy in the spikes is important in order to understand how much energy return we are getting for the investment we used.  Those formulas are what engineers use to calculate energy stored in those components.  To say that "spikes" cannot be measured or calculated is just another word for "magic" (unfortunately).  To tell you the truth, I have not seen Bedini himself proving that SSG or similar setup that is undoubtedly overunity.


However,  It is quite possible that he does have a version that is an overunity SSG.  In some of his demonstrations and illustrations, I realize a few components were either deliberately, or unintentionally wired in way that doesn't make any sense. Rearranging them shows more promise than the original configuration.  This is just my speculation,  of course.

[MarkE]

The official claim has only ever been that the resultant 'spikes' have an effect on the battery chemistry which results in more energy out than in when the energiser system is built and tuned correctly. Furthermore, that there is no requirement to measure the collective energy in the spikes, as the important radiant energy 'captured' in the spikes cannot be measured using conventional instruments and methods. 'Built and tuned correctly' are the optimum words that provide a get out clause, as a builder claiming that his or her energiser is running underunity, can simply be told that this is because its built and / or tuned incorrectly.

Neither Bedini, nor anyone selling "secrets" books can demonstrate this "radiant energy" collection by any objective means.  It is and has always been BS.  If an electrical stimulus of some form causes a battery to "accumulate radiant energy" then this would be something that could readily be proven in a matter of days with proper measurements.  Bedini has been selling this croc for at least 33 years with zero objective evidence.  He has built a desulfanator with kinetic art.

[tinman]

The truth is (i believe)that the rotor full of magnets actually decreases efficieny. I can just about guarantee that if i removed the bass/emitter diode and rotor,the self oscilator would be more efficient.

Might give that a try actually,and see how we go. Will throw a video up when im done.