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Permanent magnet motor

Started by Jim36, May 18, 2015, 01:24:19 PM

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I tried to get  'scientifically qualified people'  to answer the question  :   -   What is the actual difference between the  field of a  'Permanent-Magnet'  and  that of a  'Wire with DC Current Flowing Through it' ,  in terms of achieving movement in a    Non-Electric-Permanent-Magnet-Powered-Faraday Motor  .

Below,  is where I posted my questions  :

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/197575/what-is-the-difference-between-the-magnetic-field-of-a-permanent-magnet-and-tha

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/197356/why-will-a-non-electric-faraday-motor-which-just-uses-permanent-magnets-not-w

(  Even though they heavily edited and or removed things I had put in the questions above,   THEY ACHIEVED making my questions much more  SUCCINCT  and  CLEAR,   and,  believe it or not,  gave me  'editing privileges'   to edit other peoples questions,   which I don't have the energy to do, 
and I really only care about the questions arising from this    Non-Electric-Permanent-Magnet-Powered-Faraday Motor    )

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The flowing  magnetic-field  of a  Permanent-Magnet  is made up of  photons( real photons, or virtual photons )  flowing  in one direction between the two poles of the  Permanent-Magnet.
     
(   It's easy to believe the magnetic-field  of  'Wire with DC Current Flowing Through it'  could be composed of  photons,   but less easy to think that the magnetic-field  of a  Permanent-Magnet  is also composed of  photons  )

That makes me wonder,  just what kind of  MIRRORS  could effectively 'reflect'  magnetic fields.   
  I did read that some types of  coils  are able to  reflect  part  of the    magnetic field .

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    Last night,  I discovered on the internet that    Polarized-Light   can  turn-off  a magnetic-field  (  a recognized and authenticated discovery  ).
       
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetization_reversal_by_circularly_polarized_light

     That made me wonder,  since the  magnetic-field   and  the  electric-field  are unified ( through the  special-theory-of-relativity ),  and that the  gravitational-field   is somehow also unified with the magnetic-field   and  the  electric-field ,    could some type of  Light-Emission  be used to achieve  Anti-Gravity  (   or an electric current flowing through the outer surface(  made of a  super-conductor ) of a  CRAFT  ,  which would be different to using ionized air particles as propulsion  ) . 

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lumen

The difference between the magnetic field from a conductor with current is different only in that it is a primary field.
What that means is that the field is circular and radiates in a circular path outward from the conductor without any merge points when placed in an external field.
This is the same as the field generated in the atoms of the permanent magnet before they combine to form a secondary combined field.
If you wind the conductor on a core and combine the primary fields to form the secondary fields, then the field is exactly the same as the permanent magnets.

Now because the secondary field flows from an object which has combined many primary fields, there are merge positions where additional field vectors will combine or merge to strengthen the established secondary field.

Once the field is a secondary field, there is no way to convert back to the primary without additional work.

I knew this before building the simulated conductor so I could test to see if there were any similarities between the two and if there were ways to increase the effect.
There are some effects that appear similar but appear not to be useful. Attraction to the edge of a magnet is stronger one way than the other but no actual rotation effect is noticed.
During this experiment I had a thought about applying something I noticed to another experiment I was doing, so it may have returned something of value but unknown as of now.

MagnaProp

Quote from: guest1289 on August 06, 2015, 02:16:05 PM
I tried to get  'scientifically qualified people'  to answer...
I don't qualify but your 2D images look similar to me. If we could shield one half of the permanent magnet with metal then bismuth, it might look more like magnetism from a wire that goes in one direction. That's only in 2D though.

The permanent magnet field in 3D is more like a wire that is connected to its self as in a ring or toroid shape which messes things up for us. So a permanent magnet is like having two wires next to each other with the current traveling in opposite directions, which would end up in no movement in a unidirectional motor.


MagnaProp

Or have two permanent magnets together but place a shield in between them so the magnetism still has to go the long way around to their respective poles. Don't want the flux taking the short route of going into their neighbors poles.

The blue is metal to soak up the half of the magnetic field we don't want radiating out and the red is a plate of bismuth to keep the two magnets and their fields separated.