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Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)

Started by radiant_one, June 11, 2015, 10:55:42 AM

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radiant_one

Quote from: pomodoro on August 22, 2015, 09:06:30 PM
That is interesting. About the spark gaps, are two really necessary? What happens if you short the glass gap and just use the screw driver?

No it turns out the first arc is not needed. I am compiling the next video and it explains what is needed from the arc. 

pomodoro

That video will good to see. 
  I'm not all that familiar with TV  flybacks but from memory some (if not all) have a diode in the output. This means that your 'Layden Jar' can build a voltage up from successive pulses,  and when this voltage exceeds the spark gap voltage, the current is dumped into the light globe.  If others try this with induction coils instead,  there needs to  be enough energy from the coil to charge the cap to the gap breakdown voltage during each pulse, thus keeping the coil discharge aperiodic.  Because if the cap can't discharge,  its stored energy from the pulse   will flow back and forth into the coil with a period of 2PI(LC)^0.5, wasting a huge amount of power in the large resistance of the coil's secondary. In this case ,unless the exciter is tuned very precisely to the same period or one of its close subharmonics, the cap may never build enough voltage to discharge.

GeoFusion

Hi there guyz,

Radiant_one,
Nice work, replicating and trying the device out, yet I see you have managed to connect it differently but working as how it should.
Try this time to connect the ground line strait to the cold end of the Flyback, it will be the only connection to the cold end.
and the rest of the circuit is how you have it hooked up 
and where you have the screw driver you could
place a separate ground that is 1 to 2 meters away from the the ground pin,
be experimental there ;) to see if there is difference. this is setup 1.
Btw the first SG is not needed in your setup because of how you have your setup a bit differently man ;),
check out on my schematix and my vids once more. try to replicate it as how I have, to see a difference. :) try it

And the other setup, connect the ground Only to the Aluminium wrap side of the salt water capacitor,
that is setup 2.

Important for builders, it would not matter if it's a screw driver or some other metal object for the experiment after the 2nd SG
, don't know if pure ferrite does anything different there, but I learned if the surface is large enough just like my bench iron plate, acting like a aerial plate,
the output is brilliant.

I will share with you the two setups I have down here in schematix, you will see a difference in how the wiring setups are.

There is so much more to figure out and we'll eventually figure something ;)
Any questions are good.

Cheerz~

pomodoro

Conventional theory would treat the large steel plate as a capacitance to ground, which essentially closes the loop for the flyback output. A good idea would be to have a similar bulb powered by DC next to the pulsed one to judge power output.

Hoppy

Quote from: pomodoro on August 23, 2015, 08:09:26 PM
Conventional theory would treat the large steel plate as a capacitance to ground, which essentially closes the loop for the flyback output. A good idea would be to have a similar bulb powered by DC next to the pulsed one to judge power output.

Experimenting using these low to high voltage transformer circuits demonstrates how a ground and / or metallic plate connections can alter impedance matching, resulting in load lamp brightness variations. The overall electrical throughput efficiency of this type of voltage transformation arrangement is poor and clearly better efficiency is achieved by directly powering the lamp from the DC power supply.