Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor

[nix85]

Take this basic wankel principle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovPQ5dMy7GQ

Imagine if he placed a piece of iron of proper thickness at proper angle before and behind the first magnet on the left and it would cross the gap effortlessly so that cycle can repeat. Scale it up, add many in parallel and there is your high power magnet-only motor, no electromagnets, levers, pneumatics or hydraulics.

[nix85]

Looking at 0.25 speed i agree steel bar returns as the magnet comes nearest to it, contrary to what i said, i'll give you that.

Now that i slept over this, i remembered i knew this detail for years since i first saw the Luling motor. But this by far not being my main point of attention i forgot it. In any case, idea that flux is redirected at sticky point is just wrong. If steel bar was only attracting the rotor magnet at the sticky point attraction would be enormous, it would take a very high power electromagnet to cancel that, obviously magnetic repulsion is an absolute must here. Like i said before, probably with repelling magnets in the bottom part of the steel bar.

With that said, when it comes to sticky points in general you got to make the passing magnet go "Huh, what da %$# is going on here", forces must be balanced with exact timing, otherwise your access to the fat land will be denied.

[Ufopolitics]

Hello,


Like I said before...I am not trying to generate arguments here...what I have shared about Lüling previously, as what I have built successfully, is just my opinion, so anyone could feel free to disagree with me.


Yildiz magnet motor is a different concept, Perendev is another thing...all completely different than Lüling.  btw, Yildiz never shows (in all his conferences videos) the big cylindrical part where shaft goes...only letting people see pieces taken off with cylindrical magnets of what is supposed to be the ¨stator¨...however, he never takes apart that cylindrical drum or his armature...He just shows what he wants to...basically to collect money from his conferences as some investors who pass by...


The Motor I have presented on that video is about Neutralization of Magnetic Forces...without them, Motor will not run...
Lüling mentions Neutralization achievements that he has been working and developing for like 12 years...


The only difference between my motor and Lüling is that He uses Attraction as the force to run motor, while braking (or turning OFF) neutralization with the Repulse side...And so, I do the opposite, I use Repulsion to power motor, and use Attraction to turn On-Off Neutralization.


Anyone who has played with magnet motors knows that the only way that you could turn that rotor so smoothly with one finger (like Lüling does on video) is by first, neutralizing the magnetic forces.


That Arc of Steel that swivels back and forth, is in charge to turn OFF Neutralization at the repulsion side, which causes Attraction Forces to gain max levels, so when Steel Arc retracts, Neutralization is back ON...so attract side will not stick, but continues with the acceleration obtained when Neutralization was off...and again, that is just the way I believe (my take) on how Luling Motor turns Off Neutralization.


Steel would never ¨repel¨any magnet...no matter what pole is facing...Now, whenever you have two magnets in max repulsion alignment even with a very small air gap...then you approach a heavy steel right in between that repulse gap (contouring that gap in a full encirclement or a hole, which passes through magnets)...Repulse forces are gone like magic...because both magnets will be attracted to steel...and repulsion is no longer there.


Same thing that happens when you get two N52 Heavy Magnets by the same poles and both attracting a heavy piece of steel...they will not repel, but stick together sandwhiched between steel, and North to North...


By the way...in a CAD Program with animations, etc,etc...I could also build a "real running Lüling Motor"...


Cheers




Ufopolitics

[nix85]

Yildiz may not have taken his motor apart completely but i seen diagrams of supposed inner mechanism, it's multiple layers of magnets. Anyway, it is a real deal.

Yildiz, Perendev and Lüling may use different methods, but all are magnet-only motors, so they are closely related.

The Motor I have presented on that video is about Neutralization of Magnetic Forces...without them, Motor will not run...

Anyone who has played with magnet motors knows that the only way that you could turn that rotor so smoothly with one finger (like Lüling does on video) is by first, neutralizing the magnetic forces.

Imagine, and sky is blue. Have we been talking about anything else but neutralization. Neutralization meaning passing the sticky point, even Luling uses the term.

The only difference between my motor and Lüling is that He uses Attraction as the force to run motor, while braking (or turning OFF) neutralization with the Repulse side...And so, I do the opposite, I use Repulsion to power motor, and use Attraction to turn On-Off Neutralization.

I dont think what you did is even comparable to Luling, as you say you use repulsion + compressed air which he did not use.

In this paragraph you seem to agree he is using attraction to make rotor magnet fall to the steel and do work, but you seems to believe neutralization is turning OFF when magnet comes face to face with steel. Only God knows by which magic have you imagined magnet does not stick to steel if that is when neutralization is OFF instead of ON.

Your next paragraf also does not clearly convey what exactly you imagined...

That Arc of Steel that swivels back and forth, is in charge to turn OFF Neutralization at the repulsion side, which causes Attraction Forces to gain max levels, so when Steel Arc retracts, Neutralization is back ON...so attract side will not stick, but continues with the acceleration obtained when Neutralization was off...and again, that is just the way I believe (my take) on how Luling Motor turns Off Neutralization.

Steel would never ¨repel¨any magnet...no matter what pole is facing...

Wrong. That is totally dependent on the thickness of steel and power and distance of the magnets. If steel is thin magnets WILL repel through it, in somewhat reduced degree. I tested this with N52 superstrong cylinder neodymiums some time ago, even through iron thick about 5mm repulsion is VERY strong, there is absolutely no way you will make it stick to iron where repelling neodymium is on the other side of it or even get it close to iron in that area...

So your basic premise is totally wrong, needless to say what proceeds from a flawed premise is most likely wrong too.

Also i did not necessarily imply magnets are behind the steel bar but rather in the front, the bottom part, or maybe covered with thin layer of steel.

He says it works by attraction, so it is pretty safe to assume work is done by magnet falling toward the steel bar, to me it is logical neutralization takes place by (unseen) repelling magnets at the moment rotor magnet is about to stick to steel. You apparently imagined something totally different, only God knows what cause you did not convey your idea clearly.

By the way...in a CAD Program with animations, etc,etc...I could also build a "real running Lüling Motor"...

That video is totally irrelevant and not presented as an authority on the subject, i mainly shared it for the view of the rotor and stator.

[Ufopolitics]

Yildiz may not have taken his motor apart completely but i seen diagrams of supposed inner mechanism, it's multiple layers of magnets. Anyway, it is a real deal.

Yildiz, Perendev and Lüling may use different methods, but all are magnet-only motors, so they are closely related.

And there are Unicorns in our Animal Kingdom...

Imagine, and sky is blue. Have we been talking about anything else but neutralization. Neutralization meaning passing the sticky point, even Luling uses the term.

Neutralization is not only about "passing the sticky point"...but also about passing the Repulsion Cogging Point...Should I remind you that Magnetism always has TWO Interactions, and NOT only one?...or just attraction?

I dont think what you did is even comparable to Luling, as you say you use repulsion + compressed air which he did not use.

Are you sure Lüling did NOT use pneumatics?...Please see my images sequence below...and still I had to reduce its resolution...as this site will not take 4K UHD.
So, all those aluminum lines, fittings and components are there just "for the looks"...and yes, "skies are blue..."

In this paragraph you seem to agree he is using attraction to make rotor magnet fall to the steel and do work, but you seems to believe neutralization is turning OFF when magnet comes face to face with steel. Only God knows by which magic have you imagined magnet does not stick to steel if that is when neutralization is OFF instead of ON.

Your next paragraf also does not clearly convey what exactly you imagined...

When Two magnets are IN REPULSION, face to face, and you get a THICK (not just a lamination) about equivalent to their thickness embodiment, without touching them physically, just SURROUNDING their REPULSE AIR GAP...Repulsion Forces are turned OFF like a "switch"...You no longer feel any COGGING, but a slight Attraction.

And this brakes (Turns OFF) Neutralization IN A STABILIZED, NEUTRALIZED SYSTEM, releasing Attract Forces to Max at 180º apart.

This fact does NOT applies to Attraction.

That is how Lüling Magnet Motor works.


Is this too hard to understand?

Wrong. That is totally dependent on the thickness of steel and power and distance of the magnets. If steel is thin magnets WILL repel through it, in somewhat reduced degree. I tested this with N52 superstrong cylinder neodymiums some time ago, even through iron thick about 5mm repulsion is VERY strong, there is absolutely no way you will make it stick to iron where repelling neodymium is on the other side of it or even get it close to iron in that area...

So your basic premise is totally wrong, needless to say what proceeds from a flawed premise is most likely wrong too.

I never said "thin steel plate"...that is so obvious!!...a thin plate would not do niente!! ...I said perfectly clear, a Thick, large piece of steel Arc

Also i did not necessarily imply magnets are behind the steel bar but rather in the front, the bottom part, or maybe covered with thin layer of steel.

Now is you considering a thin piece of steel...what?...shunting magnets?...LOL

He says it works by attraction, so it is pretty safe to assume work is done by magnet falling toward the steel bar, to me it is logical neutralization takes place by (unseen) repelling magnets at the moment rotor magnet is about to stick to steel. You apparently imagined something totally different, only God knows what cause you did not convey your idea clearly.

So, you are believing that Lüling works based on Steel RAMPS generating the Attraction?...and some "unseen repulse magnets" come out of your blue skies...
And so, maybe Lüling was pushing those "unseen repulse magnets" with his left hand, while motor was running...I mean, we only see his right hand moving the lever...so it could be...

That video is totally irrelevant and not presented as an authority on the subject, i mainly shared it for the view of the rotor and stator.

Maybe you need to watch the whole video again, in your big screen TV...but this time  Lüling in 4K UHD...same 1966 video...taken from the original 35mm slides that thanks to Semi, who got them (and PAID $$ for them) from Bundes Archives in Germany...I did all the color balances, Gamma corrections, etc,etc...and put them in a full film...

Also, You may want to see the replication that Manfred Klug (Germany) did on his Lüling Magnetmotor Rep #10 ...and  so, I wonder ¨how come¨, I am not the only one who believes Lüling works on Pneumatics ¿!? ...It is just unfortunate that Klug did not considered Neutralization on his build...as he only uses Magnet to a Steel Rotor Attraction, which is very much weaker than magnet to magnet attraction...
Resulting that Manfred Klug only gets like 30 RPM's...while I reach 415 RPM's... , 






Ciao






Ufopolitics