Odd and unusual Laws and troubling times for FE research

[Farmhand]

Maybe not, but the disclaimer may prevent complaints.
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[Farmhand]

You will be surprised at what we are doing that we shouldnt be doing Jim.We are suppose to have a licence if we go above 50 VAC,or 120 VDC-regardless of current. As silly as it sounds,a lot of the higher voltage JT's would exceed 50VAC-and tesla coils-forget it-your done.
So like i said,when the time come's,there are laws they can sting you with.

This is from the WA.gov.au website.
Quote: Electrical work is defined in the Electricity (Licensing) Regulations 1991 and means work on electrical machines or instruments, on an electrical installation or on electrical appliances or equipment to which electricity is supplied or intended to be supplied, at a nominal pressure exceeding 50 volts alternating current or 120 volts direct current, whether or not the thing on which the work is being performed is part of, or is connected to or to be connected to, any distribution works or private generating plant and, where work is performed on any appliance, whether or not electricity is supplied or may be supplied thereto through an electric plug socket or socket outlet.

Section 3.3 of the WAES
Where sources of electricity generation are installed in a consumer's premises, the generator
electrical installation shall comply with relevant technical standards including:
• AS/NZS: 3010:2005 Electrical installations – generating sets;
• AS 4509.1:2009 Stand-alone power systems – safety and installation;
• AS 4777:2005 Grid connection of energy systems via inverters;
• AS/NZS 5033:2005 Installation of photo-voltaic (PV) arrays; and
• the Wiring Rules.
Further requirements of network operators may be found in their connection requirements.
In particular, where an installation has multiple alternative sources of supply (incorporating either
automatic and or manual switching), all associated circuits and equipment including isolating
switches shall have signage and labelling as required by the relevant standards. Further detailed
labelling requirements are provided in section 3.5 (below).
Installation or modification of on-site power generation is 'notifiable work' as defined in the Electricity
Licensing Regulations 1991 and, in particular, notices of work shall be submitted to the network
operator as required by Regulations 51 and 52.

http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/energysafety/licensing-electrical-workers-and-electrical-contractors

http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/atoms/files/waer_2014_0.pdf

Tinman is clearly confused or lacking comprehension skills. A JT usually runs from 12 to 24 volts supplied voltage pressure and so breaks no laws regarding supply voltage limits for anyone to build and operate.

I have a resonant transformer that runs from 12 volts supply, it can develop over 50 volts on the primary (through resonance) and it can develop over 1600 volts AC peak to peak on one secondary or 3200 volts across both secondaries in series. There is nothing illegal about it and no laws are broken because the supply pressure is between 12 to 13 volts DC. It could be very lethal if I was to charge a largish capacitance with the HV output then allow the capacitance to discharge through my body. But the chances are if I can build such a thing I am unlikely to do that and if I do it is my own fault.

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[gravityblock]

Maybe not, but the disclaimer may prevent complaints.
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IMO, I seriously doubt a disclaimer will prevent complaints.

They tried to put a disclaimer on synthetic marijuana being sold as incense in stores which said, "not for human consumption....".  The disclaimer didn't prevent the complaints and the product was pulled off the shelf and those involved were arrested and charged.

Gravock

[Farmhand]

"Sources of electricity generation", means something that is generating electricity from some other form of energy/stored energy. A device that takes an electrical input and gives an electrical output is not a generator it is a converter or transformer.

Maybe if a device with an electrical input that outputs more electrical energy than is input to it could be a kind of generator but only if the extra output energy was not derived from an outside source of electricity (then it's an over C.O.P. = 1 converter). 

No one has shown that as yet though. If Tinman's device was to output more electrical energy than is input to it from him then what is the source of the extra energy ? For if the latter is an electrical source the device is not a generator but an over C.O.P. =1 converter. That's free info.

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Basically the rules say you cannot do "work" on an electrical generator installed at a "consumers premises", so I cannot mess with the wiring on a fuel powered generator head unless I am licensed. And those rules are for installations to consumers premises so it's "paid for" electrical work they are talking about there. I think. And possibly only for grid connected gear or connected to premises that are connected to the grid. It would pay to read the document fully. I haven't.

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The way I see it it is ok to do wiring on a standalone wind powered electrical generator as well as the connecting circuitry and loads as long as the voltage does not exceed 50 volts AC or 120 volts DC at any point in the arrangement. A final output of 240 volts AC from an inverter or whatever to a legally certified device (not a grid tie inverter) would be ok.

In other words I can generate electricity at a pressure of less than 50 volts AC  then convert it to 80 volts DC to supply an inverter to power a fan or lights ect. no problem. Or I could generate electricity at less than 50 volts AC/120 volts DC pressure with any device I want to make and use that output to power any other device I want as long as no input is over 50 volts for AC or 120 volts for DC.

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[Jimboot]

IMO, I seriously doubt a disclaimer will prevent complaints.
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Gravock

Yeah I complain about TKs vids did me no good *ducks