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World's first real Free Energy Flashlight - no shaking - no batteries! No Solar

Started by e2matrix, August 29, 2015, 09:01:12 PM

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Quote from: skywatcher on February 19, 2016, 07:14:23 AMThere could be a (small) possibility that it works, but in this case it would work completely different.
When we look at the parts, the only possibility for 'exotic effects' could be the batteries, which might contain some 'special sauce' allowing them to self-recharge.
Forget about resonators etc... this is complete BS.
Yes, exactly. The 'special sauce' seems to be the well known Battery Relaxation Phenomena (BRP). And your results have confirmed it too, that there was no recharging at all, besides the small voltage increase due to the conventional BRP. We only need more data to independently confirm your measurements, but so far all evidence shows no recharging.

TinselKoala

It would now be interesting to do some comparison discharge/recharge curves using ordinary batteries, like alkaline or NiMH etc. This could even be done with a separate set of LEDs, in effect making another flashlight which could be compared to the ELFE unit.

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Quote from: TinselKoala on February 19, 2016, 08:34:06 AM
It would now be interesting to do some comparison discharge/recharge curves using ordinary batteries, like alkaline or NiMH etc. This could even be done with a separate set of LEDs, in effect making another flashlight which could be compared to the ELFE unit.
As far as I know there are three users making tests with standard flashlights. The first of them is Stuart Campbell, a moderator at PESN, but his test is useless because he chose to use a halogen bulb instead of LED. LEDs have exponential luminosity/voltage curve, while at incandescent bulbs it is close to linear. It means the halogen bulb will deplete the battery much more and deeper at each burn, leaving so much less room for the relaxation phenomena. The other  ones, using standard LED flashlights, are Martin Berger in the FB group, and I believe Mark Dansie at Revolution-Green. Both are getting comparable results to ELFE, but unfortunately none of them uses a luxmeter, so we cannot consider those tests truly objective either.

BTW, my prediction of today's results from Skywatcher for this evening, based on the theory of the Battery Relaxation Phenomena (BRP):

Yesterday at 00:00 the ELFE was emitting 260 lux. 19 hours of rest later, at 19:00, the voltage raised due to the BRP to allow 1280 lux 30s after the start, dropping to 963 lux at 90s. The discharge of 90s at ~3% of the maximal luminosity was totally negligible, hence we can expect the same or higher values today. Higher values are more likely, because unlike yesterday with the resting time of 19 hours, today he will test after 24 hours, so the recovery time is 5 hours longer, and the BRP may be slightly higher. If the "self-recharging" of ELFE worked, the ELFE lamp would have to emit at the maximal brightness again - over 28000 lux. However, already anything above 5 or 10 kilolux would be rather surprising too.

skywatcher

Quote from: txt on February 19, 2016, 09:45:51 AM
BTW, my prediction of today's results from Skywatcher for this evening, based on the theory of the Battery Relaxation Phenomena (BRP):

Yesterday at 00:00 the ELFE was emitting 260 lux. 19 hours of rest later, at 19:00, the voltage raised due to the BRP to allow 1280 lux 30s after the start, dropping to 963 lux at 90s. The discharge of 90s at ~3% of the maximal luminosity was totally negligible, hence we can expect the same or higher values today. Higher values are more likely, because unlike yesterday with the resting time of 19 hours, today he will test after 24 hours, so the recovery time is 5 hours longer, and the BRP may be slightly higher. If the "self-recharging" of ELFE worked, the ELFE lamp would have to emit at the maximal brightness again - over 28000 lux. However, already anything above 5 or 10 kilolux would be rather surprising too.

According to the 'specs' it will take up to 14 days to recharge if the lamp has been discharged almost completely.
So i would not expect that it has been fully charged in 24 hrs. If it would gain 10% every day it would meet the spec.

We will see in half an hour... stay tuned.  :)

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Quote from: skywatcher on February 19, 2016, 12:34:58 PMAccording to the 'specs' it will take up to 14 days to recharge if the lamp has been discharged almost completely.
Yes, that's true, that was an incorrect claim from me about the full recharging today. It means if there is only a small increase of luminosity, we won't know much, because it would fit both options, and we will have to wait for several days more. If the level stays about the same or lower, then the charging doesn't seem to exist, but again, more days will tell it better.