Gravity magnetic lever wheel working in WM2D (could this work in reality!)

[Hughbee]

Hi Guys,

Am new to this site and I love the concept.
My dumb question is, do permanent magnets demagnetise over time?
I would have thought that you will only be getting out the energy that was initially put in to form the permanent magnet?

Sorry if this is a stupid question - i know permanent magnetism is based on electron spin which doesnt' appear to obay the laws of thermodynamics, however i'm not entirely convinced.

Has anyone built an experimental version of this device, and if so, how did it go?

Cheers muchly,
Hughbee.

[Dingus Mungus]

Lots of variables in that question...

A perfect newly made neo magnet should have a life span of over 5000 years... BUT

A magnets life span is determined by temperature, physical treatment, materials and other magnetic fields in proximity. All magnets lose there field at a high enough temperature. All magnets lose life and gauss rapidly with friction or impact damage. A magnetized iron bar has a life span of roughly 50 years at room temperature. It's really hard to predict in any conventional way, but most magents have a life time of several hundred years.

Also magnets CAN use more energy than what is required to magnetize them. A way to prove a magnet overunity is to magnetize a small rod of iron with a electro magnet and use it to suspend a several grams of paper, when/if the magnets falls and releases the paper you can then calculate the ammont of work it did in its lifetime. I'll save you the time though since it takes half a lifetime to observe if done propperly. The magnets lifetime of work suspending just its own weight against the force of gravity far outweighs the wattage used to magnetize the material.

I hope this was useful...
~Dingus

[prajna]

Dec 06? Why has interest in this dropped off?  Has anyone tried building this?

[dingbat]

The magnets lifetime of work suspending just its own weight against the force of gravity far outweighs the wattage used to magnetize the material.

Contrary to popular belief, the magnet is not doing work when holding its own weight up.  Work requires movement to occur.

By your argument, pounding a nail in a wall to hold a picture up has the nail doing work.  It doesn't.  What about sticking tape on something?  Is the tape doing work?  No.

A magnet can provide a force for 5000 years, but if it doesn't move anything, it is not doing work.

[Dingus Mungus]

The magnets lifetime of work suspending just its own weight against the force of gravity far outweighs the wattage used to magnetize the material.

Contrary to popular belief, the magnet is not doing work when holding its own weight up.  Work requires movement to occur.

By your argument, pounding a nail in a wall to hold a picture up has the nail doing work.  It doesn't.  What about sticking tape on something?  Is the tape doing work?  No.

A magnet can provide a force for 5000 years, but if it doesn't move anything, it is not doing work.

Dingbat, you are way off base...

A nail driven in to a wall is using the walls materials as a fulcrum to support any added weight where as a magnet stuck to a metal plate requires constant magnetic force to maintain its position. Stick a magnet to a metal surface and turn it upside down... If no work was being done by the magnetic field, then why does it not react to gravity? Next add weight to the magnet untill the magnet can no longer support itself. If no measurable ammount of work was being done lifting its own mass why can't it support ten times its own mass? When a magnet is supporting its own weight or the weight of other objects against the pull of gravity, work is being done. It's the lack of movement (aka falling) that proves work has been done.