The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.

[cache]

Guys, you're WAY off the track on getting started. I am not with Steorn at all, but I am building a demo model.

The reason I say you are off the track is because you are hung up on the magnets. They are no big deal. Like one article said, magnets arranged in a circle is nothing new. Correct. Don't get hung up on that. It could use 4 magnets, 2, 10, 20, it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that they be placed equidistance from each other on an a spinnable axis. Why, because the damned wheel would be out of balance and fly apart even at low rpm if they weren't. Simple physics, the placement and number of magnets has nothing to do with Steorn's motor.

So what is new, what is it they discovered? You will NOT find the answer to that by reading articles on the web. You will not find that on the forum at steorn.net (not yet anyhow). But you will find it in their patent application.
http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO2006035419&F=0&QPN=WO2006035419
Read it. This is the central component to the concept. Read it once, twice, three times. Let it rattle around in your head for a day in between each reading. There is something new and revolutionary in that application. And if you don't get it from that application, you'll never get it. Remember what Sean keeps saying - it is incredibly simple, but it is a revolutionary concept. And, the application is very well written, the preferred embodiment fully supports the claims, but does not explain the concept in straightforward fashion - you've got to figure out what it is that is new and unique. This patent is for a device that can "toggle" a permanent magnet's magnetic field on and off - and do it with an amount of energy considerably less than the strength of the magnet's magnetic field.

Instead of concentrating on the magnets, concentrate on the magnetic shield. Understand how a magnetic shield works. It's actually a misnomer, it makes one think that a shield repells a magnetic field. Instead a shield works because it absorbs a magnetic field and DEFLECTS it in a path around the magnet so space beyond the shield is considerably free of the field. But, because a shield absorbs so much of the field, the shield is attracted to the magnet and it takes exactly as much energy to move the shield away from the magnet as the shield deflects. And yet, to toggle the field on and off, the shield has to move. That's the genius of the Steorn discovery. Hint, hint, hint - understand the meaning of the word BALANCE in the application. What is being balanced?

Also, here's a little on how patents work - they are only granted to the first persons to have the idea, not the first to apply for it. And, once the idea has been published in a form that someone skilled in the art can deduce how it works, the inventor(s) have only one year in which to file for the patent, after that year it is public domain. Steorn has filed for patents but has remained cagey about giving out too much info. Why? Because they are not sure why this thing even works! They are being prudent, perhaps the work of the jury will give them new insights into the claims they should be making. Remember, a patent is not about the THING, it is about the IDEA, and the claims to that IDEA. (that's why the THING in a patent is referred to as only the "preferred embodiment")

Don't get the idea that you're going to build a demo cheaply. I've got between 150 to 200 USD in parts and tools headed my way this week......  I'll keep you all uptodate.

wizard@steornquest.com

[gyulasun]

Hi,

I think if you attach a permanent magnet on the side of a refrigerator and then you would like to remove it, you have to use a relatively strong lifting force with your fingers THAN you have to use to push/shift the magnet sideways (in any direction on the surface of the fridge).
And the smoother the surface of the fridge and that of the magnet, the less force you have to use for pushing the magnet sideways.

Is not the same fact used in the patent with the shield on the linear bearing in front of three magnets? Here the magnets are fixed and the shield is moved with a small force.

Gyula

[thevorlon]

I am going to read that patent, but Steorn has stated that their permanent magnet technology does NOT use shielding and is about a fixed permanent magnet. From what I understand, there are no other mechanical parts. It's simple a rotor, magnets on the rotor, and a configuration of magnets on the stator.

Also, they must know they are correct, because according to their claims their devices already self power and keep spinning and spinning. If that happens, then their technology works and they can be confident that it works.

Oh, I just checked out that patent link you provided.

They have already clearly said that is NOT related to their core technology.

If you can explain otherwise, then please do so.

Also, thank you for talking with us and for keeping us updated on your experiments.

[thevorlon]

Cache,

Now, I'm pretty confused. I read that patent in detail and it does seem like the device could indeed be used to create a permanent magnet motor, but at the same time Steorn has said that their core technology does not use shielding and that this patent is not part of that technology. So do they have a completely different technology that is not patented yet which does NOT require this device, and *also* have a patent on this device which *could* create a magnetic motor, but is NOT part of their current technology?

[Jdo300]

Hi Everyone,

To get a better idea of how to gain energy using permanent magnets, check out this article I wrote here:

http://www.fdp.nu?free_energy.asp?book=90

God Bless,
Jason O