The Steorn Permanent Magnet Motor Replication Project: It's FLUX time.

[thevorlon]

Cache,

First of all, I think we need to test the LEMA because if it's truly over-unity that is amazing all by itself. If we can get an over-unity magnet motor then suddenly it's then possible to have one. The truth will be out that magnets are indeed gushing out energy from the vacumm (in this case at least part of is their magnetic field) that is just waiting for us to tap into. If we can prove the LEMA technology is indeed over-unity then tons of other permanent magnet motors will follow.

But at the same time I don't want to think that this is Steorn's only technology or discovery. I know your sick of me defending them, but they have specifically said repeatedly that the LEMA has nothing to do with their *current* over-unity device and their current device does not use shielding. Without going over all their statements they have basically told us their current technology only involves permanent magnets in special configurations using specific trajectories that may not be simple circles. In one part of the cycle energy is gained and in the other it's lost. Also, if you move the rotor backwards for a whole cycle energy is lost, but if you move it forward it's gained.

To be honest, their explanation of their technology with permanent magnets does not sound like the LEMA. The LEMA would not need any special configuration of permanent magnets, would not lose energy by going the opposite direction (because you could spin the LEMA in either direction and make it work), and does not lose energy in any part of the cycle because there is only one part of the cycle at the LEMA where energy is given.

Now, I'm excited about the LEMA because quite frankly it's something that's pretty simple to understand and it's something we have details about. But at the same time I'm still curious about the other technology they might have.

I'm not trying to be stubborn here. I'm just don't like the idea that they are lying to us and hope that they are telling the truth.

Anyway, back to the LEMA.

What is the simplest CAM design you can think of to move the LEMA back and fourth? In my opinion, we need to move it back and fourth to get the MAXIMUM ammount of propulsion from both magnets. You see, we need it to have enough power to spin, keep spinning, and turn the CAM to move the shield. The more efficent we can make the device the more likely it's to work.

If we can get one simple self-running LEMA based permanent magnet motor working then it's going to stun the world.

Honestly, I don't think scientists would be able to criticise it for too long. For example, at worst I think some of Steorn's jury members will probably drag it on and on rather than admit to positive results. But in the end if you have a permanent magnet motor running for weeks on end right infront of you that's totally self powered it's kinda hard to deny reality.

Also, it's going to make it harder for them if we can get Steorn's technology self-running. Of course the LEMA might not be Steorn's only technology, but just the fact any PMM is running and being replicated by thousands of people would certainly encourage them to admit the truth that it's real.

What we really need is a plan that anyone could follow to build the simplest LEMA based PMM possible.

What we need to do obviously get one working first. But then we need to be able to list specific part numbers from various companies down to the very last screw, magnet, gear, shielding material, and bottle of glue. Then we need precise step by step instructions.

This must be so simple that an amateur (like myself) could build it.

If we can get to that point the replications will take off like wild fire!

[Kent767]

What is the simplest CAM design you can think of to move the LEMA back and fourth? In my opinion, we need to move it back and fourth to get the MAXIMUM ammount of propulsion from both magnets. You see, we need it to have enough power to spin, keep spinning, and turn the CAM to move the shield. The more efficent we can make the device the more likely it's to work.

The CAM is used for timing and actuating the actuator (heh), so the setup of the LEMA / Rotor will determine that.


I'll draw up some examples.. but the important thing to note here, (IMO) we need the lema to actuate orthogonal to the rotor, any movement going side to side or back and forth will require more effort than moving up and down ( assuming the rotor is horizontal)


Also to Cache:
  Thats why we meet here so we can throw ideas around

BTW I'm not convinced this will be pulling energy from some imaginary source.  There is another claim by Steorn that I do find hard to swallow.  That all this occurs without the magnet degrading in strength.  I'm more curious hwo much we can get out of a magnet.  But we'll see
Kent

[smarthousesys]

The Russian magent motor reference is interesting. In the transaltion on that thread on March 22 there is the following

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The practical effect of the magnetic field turned out to be quite an important feature in manufacturing. It was found that the shade must be sufficiently large so that less of its sides cross the magnetic field. (see Fig. 3). Best if it is on, that is, the one which covers the magnets. The form of the bounds is best to match the form of the magnet. My shade is rectangular.
I found a practical solution for overcoming the attracting force of the upper magnet field. It is necessary to increase the sirface area of the magnet so that the shade will always be in the magnetic field when it moves. The simplest is to place one more magnet in the path of shifting the shade, which I actually did in my model.
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This is obviously a reference to the same principle used by Steorn in the LEMA patent. Does it predate the issued patent?

[gyulasun]

...But, I have a couple of ideas for doing that with power from the device itself. The device's rotating shaft is a good place to mount a second set of magnets within a coil producing a dynamo-type electric current...

Could you incorporate the magnet(s) into a flywheel somehow?
Mount an inductive pickup near the circumference and use the induced pulse to compensate for the 20% that gets through the shielding.

Another coil (feed-forward) near the 'sticky' point could provide the inductive kick you require. see attachment

Hi Pinestone,

I think you show an interesting idea in your attachment, thank you. I am trying to digest it though but let's discuss it.  You placed the magnets on the flywheel with alternating poles but the diode is able to switch on and pass current by one specific pole only: when the opposite pole comes to induce, the diode is closed, isn't it?  Hence why for the need of 4 magnets?   Possibly I am missing something here, could you explain?   
I understand that the diode is also good for preventing current coming FROM the other (existing) motor, this seems a great idea.

Thanks,
Gyula

[cache]

The Russian magent motor reference is interesting. ... The simplest is to place one more magnet in the path of shifting the shade, which I actually did in my model.
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This is obviously a reference to the same principle used by Steorn in the LEMA patent. Does it predate the issued patent?

You are quite right smarthousesys, that describes the LEMA configuration and the reason for using it. Anatoliy's verifiable date of conception will determine whether that predates Steorn's date of conception. If it does it invalidate their patent. However, the dates on Anatoliy's website are Jan 2005. Steorn made their first discovery 3 years ago. If the LEMA effect was what the discovered back then, they probably have claim to priority.

What's important is that Anatoliy seems to validate the LEMA effect. What's discouraging is Anatoliy is not claiming his Nobel winning Eureka moment yet.