Moon Walkers.

[tinman]

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MileHigh
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I said this, "A 130 kg astronaut hitting the moon at 2 meters per second will hit the moon with the same impact energy as a 130 kg astronaut hitting the Earth at 2 meters per second."

And i agreed with that MH--we all know this. But the velocity of the astronauts is set by the video in question,and this velocity is set by the acceleration of G on the moon--not earth. We are talking about the moons acceleration of G MH,as we are debating as to how the flag wavered on the moon. So your weights that are associated with that velocity are incorrect--and you know it. You tried to use the earth acceleration of G to describe the weight of an astronaut on the moon-->and that's the bottom line-->you got it wrong.

You are making yourself look beyond stupid.  How many times does it have to be pounded into your head that when you use kilograms you are talking about mass?  I am talking about the MASS of the astronaut.  Let it sink in.  Even though he weighs less on the moon the impact energy will be the same.

It will not be the same MH,as the velocity on the moon dose not relate to the weight's you posted-regardless of there mass. Who is looking beyond stupid MH?. Surely you can work out your mistake MH-that you are making over and over. The weights you posted are for the acceleration of G on earth--not the moon. Earth 9.8m/sec squared-->moon 1.625m/sec Squared.
Velocity of 130kg Astronaught & suit dropped from 2 meter height on the moon is the same as astronaut & suit weighing 21.45kg's dropped from a two meter height on the moon. Impact energy of astronaut weighing 130kg's on the moon is 606.06% more than astronaut weighing 21.45kg's on the moon. To state that your astronaut and suit weighs 130 kg's on the moon,and the moons gravitational acceleration is 1.625m/sec squared,would mean that your astronaut would weigh 787.87kg's here on earth due to the earths gravitational acceleration being 9.8m/sec squared. There for,your astronaut that weighs(as you stated) 130kg's on the moon,has a mass of 787.87kg's--not 130kg's. If you cannot see your error MH,then maybe you need to slow down a little,and think for a while about what you are going to write.

That's total bullshit because you are getting frustrated and angry so you need to make up stories about me that are false.  I will just remind you that I am the one that has no problem admitting when I am wrong and you are the one that says nothing, turns blue, and runs away.

I am running now where MH,as i have spent !!how much time!!? trying to show you your error.
Your astronaut ans suit that has a weight of 130kg's on the moon(that you have stated on many occasions now) has a mass of 787.87kg-not 130kg's as you continue to use as your example. If your astronaut weighed 21.45kg's on the moon(as i have corrected for you),!then! he would have a mass of 130kg's.

You are quoting me again so I will say it again and we will see if it sinks into your head:  When I posted that I was using colloquial English and I meant 290 pounds of mass.  Subsequent to that I switched to kilograms so there would be no ambiguity.  Now can your brain process that or is it going to pass right through you again like you are not even there and you are going to repeat it again?

Once again,you posted the weight of the astronaut and his suit on the moon,and your were referring to weight when putting forth your theory. The weight you posted dose not reflect the correct mass for that weight on the moon,and now you have spent!!how long!!? trying to tell me that i am the one that has made the mistake,when it is clearly you that has made the mistake. So stop trying to turn your mistake around on me.

Here is your moment of lucidity where you are making sense and agreeing with me.  And you are also contradicting yourself as evidenced by your other statements.

I agreed with you when you used mass(that is calculated here on earth as kg's),i do not agree with your claim as to what the astronauts weigh on the moon. Weight on the moon is not the mass of the object. I have not contradicted my self at all,you just have your weights and mass all screwed up.

WHO SAID THAT?   You said that but I didn't.  Here you are showing your limitations one more time.  I only said that a 130 kg astronaut hitting the surface of the moon would cause a tremor.  I said nothing about velocity.  But your brain cannot cope with taking what I said at face value and you have to rewrite the statement in your head and change what I am saying.

I have changed nothing to what you said-- Quote:

Because the 170-pound astronaut and the 120-pound space suit form a 290-pound "ground thumper" that hits the ground for every bounce.  That makes the ground shake, a small portion of the energy from the bounce makes the flag pole rattle.

You chose to use weight that relate to the astronaut and his suit on the moon--not mass.
My brain was working quite well at the time thank you,and i corrected your mistake. From then on in,you have done nothing but try and twist it all around,so as you can save face.

You are not going to change what I am saying to make it fit into a scenario that only you can cope with and understand.  You have to take what I said at face value, period.  I know it's hard for you, you feel compelled to twist what I am saying into your own scenario because that's the only thing you can understand.  The answer to that is NO, take what I am saying to you at face value WITHOUT CHANGING IT.  Can you cope with that?

As you can see above,i have change nothing of what you said MH.
I will also not allow you to post incorrect weights of the astronaut and his suit to try and make your silly moon quake theory sound better. You insist that all the rest of us be accurate,and word things correctly--so you !will! do the same.

I am going to pound it into your head until you get it.  In my example I don't care about the velocity and I never said anything about the velocity.

The velocity is set by that in the video in question,the video where as you are trying to put together a theory to explain as to why the flag wavers. You do not get to choose the velocity MH,when trying to explain the events in the video that sets that velocity.

I just said that an 130 kg astronaut hitting the surface of the moon will cause a tremor that that might be able to make the flag shake.

And this is the bit you just do not understand MH.
Your astronaut either weighs 130kg's on the moon,and has a mass of 787.87kg--or he ways 21.45kg's on the moon,and has a mass of 130kg's--which is it MH?

Beyond that, when an astronaut that is on Earth and jumps up with 500 joules of energy, he will hit the ground with 500 joules of energy in the impact when he lands.  If the same astronaut is on the moon and jumps up with 500 joules of energy then he will hit the moon's surface with 500 joules of energy when he lands.  In both cases he hits the ground with the same speed but he has more air time on the moon.  Myself and LibreEnergia have already told you this.

Not only dose this have nothing to do with your weights used,or the velocity that is set by the video in question,it is already something i(and most others) already know,and if you go back and read the thread,you will see on a number of occasions i have agreed with that. But that has nothing to do with what we are talking about,and that was just a sad attempt by you to side track the real issue--which is the weights of the astronaut and his suit on the moon you used ,were incorrect,and do not represent the actual mass of that astronaut and his suit.
130kg's on the moon MH,is a mass of 787.87kg. Weight and mass on the moon MH are two different values--weight and mass on earth(which we were not discussing) are the same value.

And you are back in your Twilight Zone again.  One more time you are saying that it's astronaut's equivalent weight on the moon that determines his impact energy when it's his mass that determines his impact energy.

No MH,you are saying his weight on the moon is his mass--which it is not. His weight on the moon is 1/6th that of his actual mass as measured here on earth.

You seemingly cannot understand that it's the astronaut's mass that determines the impact energy and not his effective weight.  And yet in the same posting you say, "We all know that MH-we all know that the same mass with the same velocity will impact any surface with the same energy."   You have got scrambled brains.

Another lie MH?. I fully understand that it's the astronauts mass and velocity that determines the impact energy,so what you wrote above is a lie. What you do not seem to grasp MH,that the astronauts !weight!(as you specified)on the moon, is not the astronauts mass. This is why it is important to use correct terms MH--isnt it-as you demand in nearly every other thread on this forum-->be accurate with measurements and use correct terms. You need to adhere to your own demands MH.

I will tell you again, I did not mention the velocity in my example.

And i will tell you again,that the velocity is set by the motion of the astronaut in the video in question--you know MH,the one we were trying to theorize about.

You still cannot understand that the magnitude of the impact is determined by the mass and not the weight.

Once again-another lie,and i am glad everyone here can see it all.
And once again MH-i know the magnitude of the impact is determined by the mass and Velocity(which you keep leaving out),and not the weight. What you dont understand MH, is that the astronauts weight on the moon,is not his mass.

The energy in the impact is one-half the mass times the velocity-squared.

And?. I know this MH.

The moon quake theory is perfectly legitimate and I did not drop it.I said I favoured PW's explanation over the moon quake theory but they were both viable candidates.And that shows you how serious your issues are.  You can be told stuff straight to your face multiple times and it doesn't register with you or it does resister with you but you like to spin the "truth" just as bad or even worse than the politicians that you despise.  Either way, it's a serious issue with you.

Lol. Never in the history of this forum ,have i seen you put your self in it as much as you have in this thread MH.
Quote MH,reply 124
Now that I know that the space suit was off-gassing by sublimating ice to remove heat, I am going to drop my explanation and go with PW's explanation.

Now who has the serious issues MH?.

Stop bullshitting .


Brad

[MileHigh]

The answer is you have serious issues.

Read this:

I said this, "A 130 kg astronaut hitting the moon at 2 meters per second will hit the moon with the same impact energy as a 130 kg astronaut hitting the Earth at 2 meters per second."

How many times does it have to be pounded into your head that when you use kilograms you are talking about mass?  I am talking about the MASS of the astronaut.  Let it sink in.  Even though he weighs less on the moon the impact energy will be the same.

Now read this:

It will not be the same MH,as the velocity on the moon dose not relate to the weight's you posted-regardless of there mass. Who is looking beyond stupid MH?. Surely you can work out your mistake MH-that you are making over and over. The weights you posted are for the acceleration of G on earth--not the moon. Earth 9.8m/sec squared-->moon 1.625m/sec Squared.
Velocity of 130kg Astronaught & suit dropped from 2 meter height on the moon is the same as astronaut & suit weighing 21.45kg's dropped from a two meter height on the moon. Impact energy of astronaut weighing 130kg's on the moon is 606.06% more than astronaut weighing 21.45kg's on the moon. To state that your astronaut and suit weighs 130 kg's on the moon,and the moons gravitational acceleration is 1.625m/sec squared,would mean that your astronaut would weigh 787.87kg's here on earth due to the earths gravitational acceleration being 9.8m/sec squared. There for,your astronaut that weighs(as you stated) 130kg's on the moon,has a mass of 787.87kg's--not 130kg's. If you cannot see your error MH,then maybe you need to slow down a little,and think for a while about what you are going to write.

So tell me, what's the issue?

[tinman]

The answer is you have serious issues.

Read this:

I said this, "A 130 kg astronaut hitting the moon at 2 meters per second will hit the moon with the same impact energy as a 130 kg astronaut hitting the Earth at 2 meters per second."

How many times does it have to be pounded into your head that when you use kilograms you are talking about mass?  I am talking about the MASS of the astronaut.  Let it sink in.  Even though he weighs less on the moon the impact energy will be the same.

Now read this:

It will not be the same MH,as the velocity on the moon dose not relate to the weight's you posted-regardless of there mass. Who is looking beyond stupid MH?. Surely you can work out your mistake MH-that you are making over and over. The weights you posted are for the acceleration of G on earth--not the moon. Earth 9.8m/sec squared-->moon 1.625m/sec Squared.
Velocity of 130kg Astronaught & suit dropped from 2 meter height on the moon is the same as astronaut & suit weighing 21.45kg's dropped from a two meter height on the moon. Impact energy of astronaut weighing 130kg's on the moon is 606.06% more than astronaut weighing 21.45kg's on the moon. To state that your astronaut and suit weighs 130 kg's on the moon,and the moons gravitational acceleration is 1.625m/sec squared,would mean that your astronaut would weigh 787.87kg's here on earth due to the earths gravitational acceleration being 9.8m/sec squared. There for,your astronaut that weighs(as you stated) 130kg's on the moon,has a mass of 787.87kg's--not 130kg's. If you cannot see your error MH,then maybe you need to slow down a little,and think for a while about what you are going to write.

So tell me, what's the issue?

The issue is,you used the weight that the astronaut weighs on the moon--which is not his mass. His weight is only his mass when you state his weight on earth. As we are talking about happenings on the moon,then post there weight that is relevant to the moon-not there weight(mass) that is relevant to the earth(a place where they are not).
Or- state that you are using mass weight,and not lunar weight.
You MH-->you got it wrong. You have lied throughout this thread ever since you screwed up with your weights,and then trying to make your self look like you got it right by presenting things that had nothing to do with the issue at all.

Anyway--all is here to read by every one now,and they can all make up there own mind.
I will no longer be distracted by your unjustifiable babble.


Brad

[MileHigh]

The issue is,you used the weight that the astronaut weighs on the moon--which is not his mass. His weight is only his mass when you state his weight on earth. As we are talking about happenings on the moon,then post there weight that is relevant to the moon-not there weight(mass) that is relevant to the earth(a place where they are not).
Or- state that you are using mass weight,and not lunar weight.
You MH-->you got it wrong. You have lied throughout this thread ever since you screwed up with your weights,and then trying to make your self look like you got it right by presenting things that had nothing to do with the issue at all.

Anyway--all is here to read by every one now,and they can all make up there own mind.
I will no longer be distracted by your unjustifiable babble.


Brad

You are unwittingly proving my point and I am not surprised that you believe that I am lying.

[tinman]

The missing electrons.

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