I have a proven model I built. I am looking for like minded people who know more

[CANGAS]

Ok, I will state all the facts today that I believe to be true. Now as I post them you are more then welcome to disprove any facts I put forward but please at anytime keep them relevant to the facts being stated.
Now with my old contraption I built, I've proven that with momentum and power source at full rpm's that I can always add with clutch approximately another 60% size flywheel to flywheel that is already in motion without barely losing any momentum from power source.
If there are any comments to argue this point please state them now.
Thanks
Frank

You have stated virtually NONE of the pertinent facts that are needed so as to figure out if you got more power out than power in.

Frank, you are looking like you are a joker. Or, you can't figure out what is your dream versus what is your waking reality.

If you are lucid and sincere, then give us ALL the pertinent facts we need to believe you.

Your move.


CANGAS 209

[sm0ky2]

Ok, I will state all the facts today that I believe to be true. Now as I post them you are more then welcome to disprove any facts I put forward but please at anytime keep them relevant to the facts being stated.
Now with my old contraption I built, I've proven that with momentum and power source at full rpm's that I can always add with clutch approximately another 60% size flywheel to flywheel that is already in motion without barely losing any momentum from power source.
If there are any comments to argue this point please state them now.
Thanks
Frank

the first thing to consider is the ratio of gearing.
whether it be belt drive pulley diameter to diameter
or chain pulley diameter to diameter
gear tooth per rotation, etc.

once determining the ratio of rotation compared to the drive mechanism,
one can then determine the torque ratio available, from the prime motive force to the moved object.

from this perspective, one can determine how much energy is transferred from one wheel to the next.

this does not account for friction at the pulley bearings/bushings, or friction on the chain or gear teeth, etc.

when you state that you can "clutch to another sized gear without barely losing momentum in first flywheel"
how much momentum is actually lost? this is important, because it relates directly to the "energy" available from one flywheel to the next.

[Temporal Visitor]

Your enthusiasm is infectious Frank.  I too have been thinking about this even though I'm trying to concentrate on another project.

Got an idea how to completely eliminate the clutch...

Radius.

We need a mechanism having bars of mass that are held close-in to the shaft.  These bars would be pinned on one end and attached to serious heavy springs on the other end--maybe even some sort of hydraulic dampener.  As RPM increases, the centrifugal force causes the unpinned end of the heavy masses to begin to swing outward from the shaft.  The springs/dampener need to be calibrated in such a way where the RPM is controlled so the mass doesn't just swing out too rapidly decreasing the flywheel RPM.  What we want is a nice smooth expansion of the masses outward while RPM is increasing.  I'm sure if we ran the numbers through some force equations we could determine the proper size springs for the mass they will be supporting.

Hopefully you can picture in your mind what I'm talking about.  Think of the spinning ballerina when she drops or raises her arms.

The interesting side effect we would see with such a mechanism is that when RPM is reduced, the springs would pull the masses back in creating a feedback that would speed the rotation back up without any help from the prime mover.  You would end up with a self recovering flywheel that within a particular range would always attempt to hold the same RPM.

What's ya think 'bout that?

Hello again D-O,

Nice to read your idea as you are not wrong about the pulling the arms in to reduce the radius and what will happen. Unfortunately such a design quickly becomes beyond the build abilities of many people (more like most) and is loaded with moving wearing parts, giving rise to serious balancing issues, friction, windage losses and structural issues. Beyond those is the fact that (TTBOM"K") there is  no "known" way around the increased INERTIA that will rise/increase as the arms are moved out to increase the radius of variable radius flywheel which as you are probably aware requires more input FORCE/TORQUE to bring the device back up to whatever the design speed is set to be, which means more POWER is required. Not all that efficient from the beginning and certainly not "over efficient".

Essentially you have described a flyweight governor using multiple levers (lots of little parts) which will not be a practical way to go but one you can be sure of that could be demonstrated to act as a variable radius flywheel without using a clutch.

How do I "know"? = This is ancient technology. In my designs it is one of many that have been passed over for others, much more practical designs that have since already been BUILT and PROVEN to WORK. Some with clutches, some without and accomplish the ultimate goal: a practical method of generating energy. PERIOD! (:Gen-E-Sys II. - Generated ENERGY Systems)

You wrote; "What's ya think 'bout that?"

Here is what I think, it is pleasing to read that (a) you could visualize what you have, (b) shared your thoughts, and (c) might even be infected. (d) It is a great starting point, a step in the right direction on a long journey to discover what "energy" truly is and is not "in reality".

I ask: Wanna learn about doing far better using a one piece part? : a Lever of the Fourth Class.
http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/contact.html

[AlienGrey]

Hello again D-O,



Here is what I think, it is pleasing to read that (a) you could visualize what you have, (b) shared your thoughts, and (c) might even be infected. (d) It is a great starting point, a step in the right direction on a long journey to discover what "energy" truly is and is not "in reality".

I ask: Wanna learn about doing far better using a one piece part? : a Lever of the Fourth Class.
http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/contact.html

What are you talking about? your link goes to a data base witch link are you talking about ?

[Temporal Visitor]

What are you talking about? your link goes to a data base witch link are you talking about ?

The one provided of course to make CONTACT, if you so choose.