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HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water

Started by Panos25, February 24, 2016, 10:25:55 AM

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Sergh

Quote from: hartiberlin on June 05, 2023, 10:13:40 AM
So I wonder if he also had it in this small toy box with these side oscillators at the outside wall of this plastic box...?? Did he use there also different frequencies so he could split the water more effectivly with his sum and difference frequencies ??
Normally for just one frequency , one pcb board at one wall should be sufficient...So he is probably also using 2 frequencies there, because he uses 2 oscillator pcbs..
Regards, Stefan.
Yes, it can be. There are industrial broadband generators in which the frequency is obtained as the difference between the frequencies of two generators. For example, the case when it is necessary to synthesize low frequencies with the possibility of electronic tuning. Old analog generators.

Zografos wrote or said somewhere that he uses an ordinary frequency synthesizer that generates a relatively low frequency, then multiplies the frequency and forms a phase shift.

Where did it all begin? He claimed that he forms two microwave frequencies, shifted in phase one relative to the other by a certain "magic angle" characteristic of a water molecule. And the water molecules begin to rotate from this and fall apart into hydrogen and oxygen.
300 GHz. Doubtful. I don't see his equipment for such frequencies.
Then some metal was needed, then a certain metal alloy + metacolloid became needed, then it turned out that this metal alloy was made up of 4 components, some minerals. And this "alloy of metals" of Zografos is not at all like an alloy of metals.

And in the last video with transparent components, somehow they completely forgot about the microwave. Why? Or is it still there?
Some kind of independent source based on a klystron, a generator on Gunn diodes or IMPATT diodes (more efficient).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunn_diode

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMPATT_diode

Or Zografos suggests that in his process of decomposition of water with metacolloids (mixtures of colloids of different minerals) there must be some very high frequency, but this is his theoretical assumption.
Quote from: hartiberlin on June 05, 2023, 10:21:47 AM
Also are you sure he is using a Nafion fuel cell to produce the output power?
Zografos shows that hydrogen is released in the installation in the form of gas bubbles.
How to make electricity from hydrogen? What are the ways?
One way is with a membrane and a catalyst.
I'm not sure what exactly in that big block, with Plexiglas ends held together with long bolts. But the design is very similar to a battery of membrane fuel cells.

r2fpl

Quote from: Sergh on June 05, 2023, 03:03:52 PM
Yes, it can be. There are industrial broadband generators in which the frequency is obtained as the difference between the frequencies of two generators. For example, the case when it is necessary to synthesize low frequencies with the possibility of electronic tuning. Old analog generators.

Zografos wrote or said somewhere that he uses an ordinary frequency synthesizer that generates a relatively low frequency, then multiplies the frequency and forms a phase shift.

Where did it all begin? He claimed that he forms two microwave frequencies, shifted in phase one relative to the other by a certain "magic angle" characteristic of a water molecule. And the water molecules begin to rotate from this and fall apart into hydrogen and oxygen.
300 GHz. Doubtful. I don't see his equipment for such frequencies.
Then some metal was needed, then a certain metal alloy + metacolloid became needed, then it turned out that this metal alloy was made up of 4 components, some minerals. And this "alloy of metals" of Zografos is not at all like an alloy of metals.

And in the last video with transparent components, somehow they completely forgot about the microwave. Why? Or is it still there?
Some kind of independent source based on a klystron, a generator on Gunn diodes or IMPATT diodes (more efficient).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunn_diode

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMPATT_diode

Or Zografos suggests that in his process of decomposition of water with metacolloids (mixtures of colloids of different minerals) there must be some very high frequency, but this is his theoretical assumption.Zografos shows that hydrogen is released in the installation in the form of gas bubbles.
How to make electricity from hydrogen? What are the ways?
One way is with a membrane and a catalyst.
I'm not sure what exactly in that big block, with Plexiglas ends held together with long bolts. But the design is very similar to a battery of membrane fuel cells.


The surface of the hydrogen exchanger is appropriate to the amount of current at the output, so it's quite possible that this is a normal process as we know it from hydrogen fuel cells.
What is important is the production of hydrogen.
Doing two frequencies and shifting them in phase and working at high frequencies in general corresponds to the NMR spin function of the hydrogen nucleus.
If this is true, there are more devices that are very similar to NMR: Meyer, Colman, Steven Mark and even Kapanadze.
The most important thing is to choose the frequency and strength of the magnetic field because these are the key operating parameters for NMR.
Anyone who knows how NMR works also knows that these values are arbitrary but very closely related to each other.

Sergh

NMR is useless for producing hydrogen.

In medicine, high-power NMR, the resonance of hydrogen atoms is used, and not a single patient has yet been torn apart by a lot of gas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_resonance_imaging

In general, resonance is a dead end. Resonance can only do something third, and it is impossible to get energy only due to resonance.
Dissociated water, water with broken bonds between hydrogen and oxygen, has exactly the same amount of energy as was spent on this breaking of bonds.
Nothing extra appears.
This is probably why Zografos is talking about metacolloids, nanotechnologies and "alloy of metals from 4 minerals." :)

r2fpl

NMR - maybe you're right that it's not that technology. It just matches what we see.
Zografos makes demonstrations instead of implementing it in the industry. There's something disturbing here.

kolbacict

Quote from: Sergh on June 06, 2023, 02:49:37 AM
  and not a single patient has yet been torn apart by a lot of gas.

Does the so-called spontaneous human combustion happen ? Or it's брехня? :)

They say there was such a case in Minsk, and there are living witnesses.
https://www.fern-flower.org/ru/facts/fact-1569851687