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Overunity Machines Forum



Playing gravity...

Started by iacob alex, March 03, 2016, 09:43:13 AM

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LibreEnergia

Quote from: AB Hammer on March 03, 2016, 07:03:03 PM

The test showing gain is already producing energy from gravity. But there is a lot more and when I show the rebuild I will also show the original. But I will also be showing a lot more.  8)

You can't make that claim until you prove that the machine had more kinetic energy at some time than the potential energy of the starting condition.

Simply seeing the device accelerate  is not evidence of that. The initial potential may be converted to kinetic energy at any time during the run giving the appearance of a gain. Ultimately it stops once that potential is dissipated.


Temporal Visitor

Quote from: LibreEnergia on March 03, 2016, 03:23:48 PM
This statement is absolutely false. It is impossible to make a mechanical device that relies on gravity alone as the prime mover.

What part of the statement  'gravity is a conservative field' do you  not understand?

It's possible that at massive energies this symmetry breaks down, but for all practical purposes on earth this is irrelevant.

LibreEnergia,

Thank you for expressing your beliefs based upon the simple information you have, rather than personal knowledge about my work and the work of others you know nothing of.
Just remember that beliefs don't make it so, because Nature controls all that IS.

"It is impossible to make a mechanical device that relies on gravity alone as the prime mover."

a. Everything is "impossible" up to the point in Time someone does what WAS BELIEVED not possible, regardless of BELIEF.
b. Gravity is a FORCE OF NATURE, not a prime mover and not subject to being suspended by man or his BELIEF.
c. Prime movers are typically mechanical devices that typically CON-sume "fuel" to produce FORCE to do WORK. I.e.: moving objects made of Matter.
d. Please explain any belief you may have as to your ability to inhibit Nature's manifestation of Kinetic energy in Matter in motion.

Do your BELIEFS limit my understanding and or ability?


AB Hammer

Quote from: LibreEnergia on March 03, 2016, 10:46:41 PM
You can't make that claim until you prove that the machine had more kinetic energy at some time than the potential energy of the starting condition.

Simply seeing the device accelerate  is not evidence of that. The initial potential may be converted to kinetic energy at any time during the run giving the appearance of a gain. Ultimately it stops once that potential is dissipated.

LibreEnergia

What does science say about a weight on a wheel or arm on an axle when dropped/released from the top? They say it can not make full rotation (impossible).  What I had was full rotation with no loss of potential energy but a gain, until the malfunction.  Even in my first year I did a lot of kinetic testing for I know the value. Just remember that kinetic energy is what you get out of an action. Like a weight on a string. When in your hand it has none but when you spin it around you have it, but it's from your own energy.

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Temporal Visitor

Nicely put.

Here is what I show on my signature line on Bessler Wheel.
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turbogt16v

to AB Hammer
i see you really put a lot of effort to make this device,
it really looks to simple to work,just by seeing it on picture,but if you claim it works,then it works, for you.
my only question is how much force does it take to get the wheel running.
and how much time did it self run.

oh never mind ,i just read that this is your  2007 build so its ok i get the picture

AB Hammer

Quote from: turbogt16v on March 04, 2016, 09:01:11 AM
to AB Hammer
i see you really put a lot of effort to make this device,
it really looks to simple to work,just by seeing it on picture,but if you claim it works,then it works, for you.
my only question is how much force does it take to get the wheel running.
and how much time did it self run.

turbogt16v

I already said the one in the photo did not work and it was what I did in 2007. This is now 2016. I only showed it as an example of building. Only by building will anyone know truly what they have to overcome.
I have not shown the device that I had gain on until I finish the rebuild.

Here is a wheel I did a couple of years ago and its video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2XTzFZpYK0
With out a dream, there can be no vision.

Alan