Simple questions

[Overunutty]

Exactly correct.


Overunutty:

The overunity is in the question itself..."If I can store more energy in a flywheel than I put into a flywheel, would that be overunity?"
The answer is that your premise is not possible, therefore the answer is no.

Bill

That is not the question I asked, a flywheel can only store so much energy. It all depends on RPM's, diameter and weight, once these parameters are met, you cannot change this. I never specified the size of flywheels. Again I ask "if I can store 150,000 joules in a set of flywheels, that is capable of storing 150,000, but I only used 100,000 joules of energy to get it to that amount, is this considered overunity?"

[EMJunkie]

The First Law of Thermodynamics is fundamental to talking about energy. It is important to consider the system (to energy flow) as open or closed.

Bull Dust!!!

The First Law of Thermodynamics is an excuse for Caveman Scientists to dismiss technology's and ideas they are too damn lazy to explain properly with real Science!!!

No one here ever has bought up "Creating Energy from Nothing" - EVER!!!

For you to complicate this topic with such Malarkey is total NON-SENSE!!!

It clearly  shows you do not know what you are talking about! Being subliminally conditioned to connect two totally different things to each other to dismiss the latter.

This is not Real Science!!! Its Caveman Science 101!!!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

[memoryman]

Chris, why don't you explain it to me? Please use simple terms as I am a simple guy who never went to Caveman U. ( I did attend the University of Waterloo, bu they don't teach real science there, just gobble-d-gook that helps in making computers and other such useless stuff).

[EMJunkie]

Chris, why don't you explain it to me? Please use simple terms as I am a simple guy who never went to Caveman U. ( I did attend the University of Waterloo, bu they don't teach real science there, just gobble-d-gook that helps in making computers and other such useless stuff).

Memoryman - I believe I have very clearly stated the plainly obvious - Have I not?

Youre asking me to explain again what I have already explained? Also the question that was orriginally asked?

1: The orriginal Question:

If I can mechanically store 100,001 joules of stored energy in a set of flywheels and the input required is 100,000 joules to reach this goal. Is this overunity?

2: A very valid first response:

The flywheels would not be what is OU,but the motor/engine/device that spun up the flywheels would be-->or you have not taken into account environmental input to the system.


Brad

3: It is perfectly reasonable for another environmental influience to add energy to a System - We do this all the time in Science!!! EG: Hydrolectric Power Station, Wind Turbines, Hydraulic Ram Pump's... the list is endless...

4: Your rebuttle excluding such phenomena[3] is just nonsense!!!

The Electrical Energy (Joules per Second) I put into a System could be 1 Watt. I might get out 10 Watts, there is nothing at all in Science limiting this scenario and this is what is considered to be Over Unity! Al Systems have losses, all Systems will have a maximum efficency, but there is nothing at all to stop additional Energy entering the System adding to the Input Energy we put in.

Energy_Out = Energy_Input + Energy_{Environmental} - Energy_losses = (Energy_Input < Energy_Out)(Energy_{Environmental} > Energy_losses) <<<--- Simple as that!!!

Where:
Energy_Out being greater than Energy_Input is a Function of Energy_{Environmental} being greater than Energy_losses.

I am sure a million Mathematicians could write that much better than I have.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

[Pirate88179]

That is not the question I asked, a flywheel can only store so much energy. It all depends on RPM's, diameter and weight, once these parameters are met, you cannot change this. I never specified the size of flywheels. Again I ask "if I can store 150,000 joules in a set of flywheels, that is capable of storing 150,000, but I only used 100,000 joules of energy to get it to that amount, is this considered overunity?"

I know what you asked and, you have said it again.  IF  I could store...whatever...fill in the blank....

That IF is your overunity.  That is what I am saying.  If you do not understand this, or I am not being clear, just let me know.

IF I had a battery that put out more energy than was put in...would that be overunity?  That IF is very important and a false premise.

You are talking about flywheels which are, as are batteries, energy storage devices...nothing more.

IF I put three apples into a box and then could remove 4 apples, would this be O.U?  See what I mean?

Of course it would be but it can't be done so your premise is a false one.

I hope I am making some sense here.

Bill