Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?

[verpies]

It's useless to argue with these flat-earther, moon-landing denier people.

Maybe it is but it is due diligence for a scientist to discuss and consider arguments for and against even the most far-out ideas.

[verpies]

Ummm...we totally went to the moon.  My company machined parts for aerospace applications and I learned a lot of inside, behind the scenes information about Project Apollo, and other space projects.

Just because the parts were machined, rocket built and the flag made and the rocket took off the ground does not mean that it landed on the moon.  There was even a movie about this scenario titled "Capricorn One".

[ramset]

Evidence ?

Has anyone here actually Seen the Debris left behind on the moon thru a telescope ?
or spoken with someone at an observatory who has or can see the remains ?

the tracks and footprints left behind would be good to see also .

as we are well aware Nowadays it means absolutely nothing to see a vid or picture .

@ Bill
Yes I was in the "white room" at Gruman and saw with my own eyes the Modules being built
and lived amongst hundreds of thousands whose entire existence and lifestyle
Fed on the space  programs .

Some folks always need to See with their own eyes !!

@ Farmhand
that was funny ...

[TinselKoala]

Maybe it is but it is due diligence for a scientist to discuss and consider arguments for and against even the most far-out ideas.

Sure, when you are discussing things with rational people. But in this case there is no discussion, because the people the real scientists are talking with are simply denying the validity and truth of all evidence that doesn't fit their preconceived notions. You can cite whatever evidence you like and the flat-earthers will just tell you that the evidence is faked. How is that a "discussion"? And on the other side, you have the flat-earthers citing "evidence" for their views that is so bad and mistaken and simply false that it's not even funny any more.

How does a computerized telescope mount find and track objects in space, if the Earth is flat and the objects are closer than astronomers claim? Why, the algorithm is faked, of course! And hundreds of different makes of computerized scope mounts all use different FAKED algorithms! And all astronomy college courses worldwide teach their students fake (but somehow consistent) information and when the students calculate orbits and positions of objects in space... all of that is lies and fakery based on the fake math they learn in class! What did SpaceX just launch in to geostationary orbit 25 thousand miles high? Why, nothing... the launch was faked, the satellite is fake! What is that which can be seen in photos of the moon at the Apollo landing sites? Nothing, NASA faked the photos, the moon is a hologram! Why do artillery shells respond to the Coriolis effect which has to be corrected for if the gunners want to hit their targets? They don't, the aiming algorithm is faked! How do all those Foucault pendulums at different latitudes work? They have little motors at the suspension point, all programmed secretly to adjust the swing for the latitude of the installation! How does an airplane maintain a constant altitude over the ground if the Earth is a globe, it should get higher and higher as the Earth surface falls away, right?  Why does a cyclone spin the "wrong way" off the coast of Yemen... since Yemen is in the Southern "hemisphere"?  And on and on....

Seriously, how can you have a rational discussion when people on the other side of the "argument" tell you things like this?

[TinselKoala]

Evidence ?

Has anyone here actually Seen the Debris left behind on the moon thru a telescope ?
or spoken with someone at an observatory who has or can see the remains ?

the tracks and footprints left behind would be good to see also .

as we are well aware Nowadays it means absolutely nothing to see a vid or picture .

@ Bill
Yes I was in the "white room" at Gruman and saw with my own eyes the Modules being built
and lived amongst hundreds of thousands whose entire existence and lifestyle
Fed on the space  programs .

Some folks always need to See with their own eyes !!

@ Farmhand
that was funny ...

Chet, it means nothing to "SEE" anything with your own eyes either! I've seen a lady being sawed in half on stage, then emerging intact from the box afterwards. Hundreds of people have seen with their own eyes the Statue of Liberty being vanished by David Copperfield (and you can "see" him doing it on YouTube). If someone wants to Fake almost anything and is willing to spend the time and money to do it, it can be done. Don't you know... "they" operate drones that sit in the optical path of every telescope on Earth so that the astronomers looking through them will only see what "they" want you to see. Or maybe they project holograms from secret locations that mimic objects in space, just to fool you into thinking the Earth isn't flat.

No telescope located on Earth has the resolution necessary to "SEE" directly the tiny footprints or tiretracks or debris left behind on the Moon, so we have to rely on photos from satellites like LRO and its high-resolution cameras -- that the deniers claim are faked, even as the photos continue to come in from the LROC. You'll just have to take the words of the Astronauts who went there and walked and drove around on the lunar surface that they actually did it. Are you calling people like Neil Armstrong and Ed Mitchell liars? Of course they are liars, right ... along with the hundreds of thousands or even millions of other people all who would have to be "in" on the deception to make it work, along with the impossible technology that it would take to fake all the evidence for a globe Earth and the moon landings and all the rest, like Cassini at Saturn, the asteroid and comet missions, and so on. 

Meanwhile any amateur scientist worthy of the name can conduct valid experiments on her own that _prove_ that we are on a spinning, globular planet, and can make observations of objects in space that _prove_ that they are distant and move on paths that are consistent with conventional astronomy. The whole "flat earth" thing is a delusion, and a badly inconsistent and nonsensical one at that. What the flat-earthers fail to provide is some logical _reason_ for all this fakery. It's a religion, depending on faith in nonsense and the denial of the reality of _all_ contrary evidence.