MH's ideal coil and voltage question

[tinman]

You are talking crap again to avoid the frying pan.

And your unfounded dribble is becoming boring.

Go and look up--to be in resonance with something-then come back and try a re-dribble.


Brad

[MileHigh]

And your unfounded dribble is becoming boring.

Go and look up--to be in resonance with something-then come back and try a re-dribble.

Brad

We are specifically discussing the scientific and engineering definition for resonance.

With the tune pipe can you identify the two complimentary forms of energy?
With the tune pipe can you identify the oscillation method for the alleged two forms of energy?

I don't think you can, and without that all you are left with is "resonance" in this case being "engine shop talk slang."  We are not talking about slang here.

[tinman]

We are specifically discussing the scientific and engineering definition for resonance.

With the tune pipe can you identify the two complimentary forms of energy?
With the tune pipe can you identify the oscillation method for the alleged two forms of energy?

I don't think you can, and without that all you are left with is "resonance" in this case being "engine shop talk slang."  We are not talking about slang here.

Forget it MH--as i said,you are past the learning stage of life.
The last link clearly explained it-picture by picture-word for word.
If you cannot relate that to the scientific definition  of resonance,then you never will.

I have no more time to waste on you,so you enjoy your small closed in world.


Brad

[MileHigh]

Now you are just bluffing Brad because you know that you can't answer those questions that ask you to define resonance as a scientific term for what you are pitching.  I understood every word of what you linked to and suggesting that I "can't learn" is just more bluffing on your part.

Here is more bluffing by ignoring:

Right here:  "The driven frequency may be called the undamped resonance frequency or undamped natural frequency and the peak frequency may be called the damped resonance frequency or the damped natural frequency."

That's your smoking gun right there.  The "damped resonance frequency" is in reference to a system that is resonating by itself and not being driven.

If a system has a resonance frequency then it is a resonating system.
A resonating system has a resonance frequency.

Can you comprehend that?  What is this foolishness?  Get out of the Twilight Zone and get real.

Whoops, if you admitted that you could understand "If a system has a resonance frequency then it is a resonating system" then your whole pitch about "driven resonance being the only resonance and nothing esle counts" falls flat on its face and so do you.  Then of course you are trying to squeeze in a fake definition for resonance which is just the synchronous operation of the components of an engine.

I can hear the sizzling from here.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Loner:

Here is the context:  On another thread some people said that they were going to make a "resonant Joule Thief" and we even had some Big Fish stories about the supposed miraculous properties of a resonant Joule Thief.  I said, "Hold on, a Joule Thief is not even a device based on resonance at all, it is a pulse circuit built around L/R-type time constants.  By definition a Joule Thief is not supposed to resonate and will not resonate."

That caused a ruckus and then we explored what resonance really means in terms of electronics and in terms of physical systems.  The context is that this was always about the scientific and engineering definition of resonance.  I asked two simple questions about a resonating wine glass that nobody in the "resonant Joule Thief" group could answer.

A recurring theme was that an ICE was a machine that took advantage of resonance to get higher performance.  That was indeed true for certain aspects.  And then what finally came out in the end is that what's going on in the expansion chamber/tune pipe is not resonance at all.  It turned out that it was just optimized synchronous operation of the expansion chamber-cylinder system at a certain RPM.  That's all fine and dandy but it is not resonance.

The reason it went that far is that "resonance" is a very charged term, it's a very abused term, and it is a term that is used to manipulate unsuspecting people or wanna-believers all the time.  I think it's safe to say that every single day that someone new makes a fake pitch using the magic word "resonance" to try to con money out of people.

So the goal was to get everyone on the same page with respect to what the scientific and engineering term "resonance" really is, what it means, and how it is actually defined.

That goal met with partial success, and I think it's safe to say many lurkers learned a lot about it and it shook off a lot of preconceptions.  I am hoping that the next time somebody makes a resonance pitch, that somebody will say, "What specifically do you mean by 'resonance' in your system, please define it."  For sure, that will make some resonance pitch artists choke because they won't be able to define it, they are just using it as a meaningless buzz word.

So I hope that gives you some understanding of the context in this whole conversation.  Delay lines are used all the time in electronic circuits, and you can buy delay line chips.  Case in point:  Delay line chips are advertised as delay lines, not as magic devices that will make your circuit resonate.

MileHigh