MH's ideal coil and voltage question

[tinman]

You would guess wrong actually.  I have excellent mechanical aptitude but never pursued it.  I got the best mark in the class in my Industrial Arts course way back in high school and I absolutely loved working with a metal lathe.

Metaphorically speaking, you were lost at the "wheel nuts" of the first question and you still are lost in a fog.

And yet totally lost it when it came to resonant system relationships  with ICEs,which have existed for over 40 years with regards to the two stroke ICE.

And your comment about me having to be shown the formula for working out the current trace of your question,is really quite stupid. What i mean MH,is how else would you learn to do something-if not shown how to do it?.
How did you learn MH?--so that was really a silly comment.
What i am not,is limited to your understandings of reality or indoctrination. This allows me to try things that you would dismiss,and so i have the advantage over you.

As far as rotoverters and the likes go,not having any real world aplications,well thats just another of your limits shining through,as they are still used world wide today. Pollyphase converters are widely  used throughout our country in the farm industry,and i have installed many of them.

So why will you not take me up on my challenge,if you think my level of understanding of electromagnetic devices is very basic?.
I think it's  because you are scared of being outdone by a hobbyist.
You say  your mechanical skills are good,and your electrical skill are excellent--and thats all thats needed to answer the challenge.

I will put a video up in the next few days,and we will see how good your knowledge really is on inductors,and the likes


Brad

[MileHigh]

And your comment about me having to be shown the formula for working out the current trace of your question,is really quite stupid. What i mean MH,is how else would you learn to do something-if not shown how to do it?.
How did you learn MH?--so that was really a silly comment.
What i am not,is limited to your understandings of reality or indoctrination. This allows me to try things that you would dismiss,and so i have the advantage over you.

Because you have been doing this stuff for six years and you started this thread where I told you I was not going to answer the question for you, you were going to have to figure this stuff out by yourself and with your peers.  Spoon feeding does not work for you, you have to figure things out for yourself.  If you had demonstrated some progress and asked some intelligent questions then they would have been answered but none of that happened.  All that you really had to do was focus your energies and do some good Internet searching and do some reading and some thinking and analyzing to answer the questions by yourself.  Or buy a good book and study it.  It's apparent that the thread has died with the first question being 90% answered for you, and the rest unanswered.  It's also apparent that you want to avoid all of this and just move on and go back to building stuff.

Don't use the old "indoctrination" line.  It's readily apparent that the most flexible and creative minds around here are from the people with education and experience.  It's apparent that some of the "blank slate" experimenters that claim that they are "free of indoctrination" often turn out to be the ones that are less creative and stuck in a linear thinking mode.  That has clearly been demonstrated on this thread.  Or they might do the wrong things and just lead themselves down a whole network of garden paths.

Take a look at these two clips:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPvXnmBIO7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhnoSREmWVY

Here is the Indiegogo crowd funding page:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fontus-the-self-filling-water-bottles#/

$346,000 USD for a self-filling water bottle that DOES NOT WORK.  The reason they raised all that money for bullshit is that there are a lot of people out there in the world that think like you.  Yes, there is a connection between your giving up on trying to learn how inductors really work and the Fontus scam.  There will be no surprise if somebody takes their fake marketing claims literally and goes off into the Outback on a cycling trip and dies three days later of dehydration.

[tinman]

Because you have been doing this stuff for six years and you started this thread where I told you I was not going to answer the question for you, you were going to have to figure this stuff out by yourself and with your peers.  Spoon feeding does not work for you, you have to figure things out for yourself.  If you had demonstrated some progress and asked some intelligent questions then they would have been answered but none of that happened.  All that you really had to do was focus your energies and do some good Internet searching and do some reading and some thinking and analyzing to answer the questions by yourself.  Or buy a good book and study it.  It's apparent that the thread has died with the first question being 90% answered for you, and the rest unanswered.  It's also apparent that you want to avoid all of this and just move on and go back to building stuff.

Don't use the old "indoctrination" line.  It's readily apparent that the most flexible and creative minds around here are from the people with education and experience.  It's apparent that some of the "blank slate" experimenters that claim that they are "free of indoctrination" often turn out to be the ones that are less creative and stuck in a linear thinking mode.  That has clearly been demonstrated on this thread.  Or they might do the wrong things and just lead themselves down a whole network of garden paths.

Take a look at these two clips:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPvXnmBIO7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhnoSREmWVY

Here is the Indiegogo crowd funding page:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fontus-the-self-filling-water-bottles#/

$346,000 USD for a self-filling water bottle that DOES NOT WORK.  The reason they raised all that money for bullshit is that there are a lot of people out there in the world that think like you.  Yes, there is a connection between your giving up on trying to learn how inductors really work and the Fontus scam.  There will be no surprise if somebody takes their fake marketing claims literally and goes off into the Outback on a cycling trip and dies three days later of dehydration.

Well then,if all that is true,and you think i need to read books,and search the net for real answers,then you should have no trouble taking me up on my challenge.

It is a good thing Tesla did not listen to the big guns in power supply, as if he did, we'd  all be using DC.

As i said,you have much to say,but nothing to show.
You cower from any sort of a challenge that involves putting your words into action.
Your so good at making acusations toward those you think are beneath  you,but never will you take on those very same people in way of putting your claimed knowledge into a working device-you can never back yourself up with real world devices.

I have seen the videos on the MHOP,and fail to see what is so good about it--perhaps you could tell us all why you think it's  so great?.
I see lots of power being used to light a neon-thats about it
Is this the best you have MH?


Brad

[MileHigh]

It's not about finding the answers and doing paint-by-numbers electronics.  It's about learning the knowledge so you can then formulate the answers yourself.

We were never going to use DC for power distribution, it was not practical at the time.

I don't "cower" to any challenge from you.  I am telling you straight to your face the answer is no.  Making your pitch for a tenth time is not going to make any difference.  You talk about all of your big "real world working devices."  Is hacking into a perfectly good motor and turning it into some kind of pulse motor were you collect back-spike energy really such a big thing?  Seriously, when you really think about it, is anything truly significant accomplished when you do something like that?  I get the impression you do something akin to UFOPolitics.  I think the general consensus is that he never did anything real, it was all just useless rewiring of a perfectly good AC motor to produce an inferior DC version of a motor.  I just took a peek and I think his two huge threads have long since died out.  If you are going to do something real, then you have to have some kind of design goal and then test for that goal.  I don't really know what you do because I don't really watch your clips.  But I can make a general statement and I don't even know if it applies to you:  The days of hacking into some kind of motor or building a pulse motor from scratch and then watching it spin with no real mechanical load and then collecting back-spike energy has got to be getting pretty stale for lots of people.  I don't see any point in doing that beyond it being a nice little educational exercise for someone that wants to play with a pulse motor just for the sake of doing the exercise.  It has no real practical value.

Do you appreciate my perspective?  Just building something for the sake of building something with no real design goal has got to get pretty lame after a certain point.  Even the MHOP doesn't really do anything.  It's no different than any other pulse motor in that sense.  But what it does do is accomplish the pulse motor function in a superior way in just about any way you want to look at it compared to a conventional Bedini SSG.

Like it or not, I would actually feel foolish building a pulse motor because it doesn't really do anything.  It just sits there and spins and charges a battery.  There is typically no precision in the battery charging function, it's just a "what-you-see-is-what-you-get" train of spikes going into a charging battery.  You don't even know if the battery is being over-charged.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Brad:

For all your "big build talk" I can give you a really good design challenge that would be cool for a pulse motor build off but it will never ever get done.  These things are always "too complicated" and "too difficult" for your typical forum "builder" and all that you get is blank stares.  I find it sad in a way, people back away from a real challenge.  The pulse motor build off is basically "build anything."  It caters to the lowest common denominator and therefore is totally bland.

Everybody plays with supercapacitors these days.  Most people have or can by a digital scale.

This is the challenge:

1.  Everybody starts off with the same supercaps and they also measure them as accurately as possible.  Say everybody has 2000 Farads for the energy supply so they all start with approximately the same amount of energy.
2.  Build a pulse motor and pulley system so that the pulse motor runs off of the caps and lifts up a mass as efficiently as possible.  You can design any pulley and transmission system you want and lift any amount of weight you want.
3.  The winner is the person that makes the most efficient setup with respect to (Mgh)/(1/2*CV^2)

In other words, who can output the most mechanical energy (mass x lift height) assuming that they all start with approximately the same amount of energy in the supercaps.  Plus you have to demonstrate your skills in making as precise a measurement as possible of the size of your supercaps.  And of course you have to get creative and actually have the pulse motor do some mechanical work and lift up a mass through a certain height until the cap voltage gets too low.  That also implies you may want to build a circuit to extract energy from the supercap when the voltage gets very low.  And, horror of horrors, you can forget about the stupid back-spikes.  Presumably you want to reduce them or even eliminate them because they are useless to you.

Now, that's a real engineering build challenge.  It's 100 times more interesting than watching a bloody pulse motor just sit there and spin for the 250th time.  I admit that it is a lot of work, and teams of people working together would be appropriate for this competition.  It also gives people a creative outlet for using their 3D printers to perhaps make the transmission and pulley system.

You will never see anything even remotely as challenging as that around here.

And when you compare that to your build challenge to me, your challenge looks pretty bland and it's the same old crap.  All that you want to do is hack into a motor and collect back-spike energy.  When you talk about "mechanical output" I take that with a huge grain of salt.  I don't know what you mean and you didn't try to define it.  If you are going to say it's the classic "attach a propeller to the shaft of the motor to push air" then I am going to laugh.  I am never ever going to do a futile exercise like that, and I wouldn't do it if I actually was a builder.

MileHigh