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MH's ideal coil and voltage question

Started by tinman, May 08, 2016, 04:42:41 AM

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Can a voltage exist across an ideal inductor that has a steady DC current flowing through it

yes it can
5 (25%)
no it cannot
11 (55%)
I have no idea
4 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 20

MileHigh

Yes, Brad, I can get angry when somebody is so blatantly dishonest as you.  That's why I am here, to go after dishonest people like Naima Faegin who said they were "just minutes away" from having a working QEG probably about two years ago now.  The fact that you are not trying to scam money from people does not take away from the fact that you are blatantly dishonest.  It is extremely distasteful to me.  I can't fathom how you can actually conduct yourself like that.

<<< At T=5 seconds,MHs device explodes.  >>>

Famous last words.

I have a challenge for you:  Go onto a real science or physics forum and start a thread with this title, "After you strike a bell and hear it ringing it is not actually resonating."

Go ahead and join a forum and then link to the thread and we can all watch how well you do defending your proposition.  I challenge you to do it.

This thread was an attempt to get you started on learning about real electronics and it failed.  And in the process we learned a lot of nasty things about you.  It is very dispiriting.

Good luck in doing whatever it is you do on your bench.

MileHigh

tinman

Quote from: MileHigh on June 02, 2016, 07:50:59 PM
 

QuoteBullshit, and you are nothing more than a bench tinkerer that barely knows what he is doing but believes that he knows it all.

Then take me on in my challenge to you,and back up your claim that i !!barely!! know what im doing.
You have made the claim,now back it up with evidence that puts truth to your claim.

QuoteYou have been fully exposed, and it was about time, and it's not a pretty sight at all.

The only thing i have been exposed to MH,is your continuing unfounded claims,and your refusal to back up !your! claims with proof by way of a real world device--something you never do,because you cannot.


Brad

tinman

author=MileHigh link=topic=16589.msg485623#msg485623 date=1464913031]
 




QuoteYes, Brad, I can get angry when somebody is so blatantly dishonest as you.

The only one being dishonest here,is you MH--and thats a fact.

QuoteThat's why I am here, to go after dishonest people like Naima Faegin who said they were "just minutes away" from having a working QEG probably about two years ago now.  The fact that you are not trying to scam money from people does not take away from the fact that you are blatantly dishonest.  It is extremely distasteful to me.  I can't fathom how you can actually conduct yourself like that.

More lies--and bad ones.
I have never made any such claim's as the likes of the QEG mob,nor Naima Faegin.
You trying to associate me with those people just go's to show what kind of a low life you really are.

What is extremely distasteful,is your lies--one after the other,and your unfounded claims against me.
I really dont care how mad you get,as you bring it on your self.
You continue to make false claims against me,but you avoid taking me on in any real world application of your book science. How did your book science go when the engineers built the Tacoma Narrows Bridge?--didnt work out to well for them-did it. Do you know why it didnt work out so well MH,regardless of the fact that it was designed and built by the worlds best engineers?-->because they did not take into account unforeseen circumstances where forces acting in perfect harmony could give rise to enough energy to bring the bridge down. Such forces exist in the electromagnetic world as well MH,whether your books like it or not. It is just a matter of finding the right balance at the right time-something you will never understand.

QuoteThis thread was an attempt to get you started on learning about real electronics and it failed.  And in the process we learned a lot of nasty things about you.  It is very dispiriting.

What this thread shows,is how low you will stoop to try and make yourself look good.
There is nothing nasty about me MH,and the only reason you say that,is because you dont have the guts to take me on in the real world--thats a fact you have proven yourself here on this thread.
You are all words,and your words mean nothing at all. The fact that you think there is nothing in the rotoverter,just shows how far behind you are.

QuoteI have a challenge for you:  Go onto a real science or physics forum and start a thread with this title, "After you strike a bell and hear it ringing it is not actually resonating

That shows how little you know.
You hit the bell,and the bell will ring--and it will ring down,and there for,it is not resonating at all. It is ringing down at it's natural frequency-slowly dropping in amplitude. When an object is resonating,it is oscillating at maximum amplitude at it's natural frequency. The fact that you dont know this,was your undoing in the JT thread.

If your scientific forum says any other than this,then you need to join another scientific forum.
The pure scientific meaning of resonance,is one object vibrating with maximum amplitude at it's natural frequency,and where an outside force is the provider of that energy required that is acting upon the resonant object--such as the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse. In this case,the bridge was bough down due to aeroelastic flutter.

QuoteGood luck in doing whatever it is you do on your bench.

I achieve much on my bench--what do you achieve?.

QuoteAt T=5 seconds,MHs device explodes.

Yes,because you are to busy looking at your 5H inductor,and forget about what is happening within the ideal voltage source. A current flows through the ideal voltage source,as well as the ideal coil. The ideal coil has inductance,but the ideal voltage source dose not. The ideal coil has impedance,but the ideal voltage source dose not. At T=5 seconds,you place a voltage across !not only the coil!,but also the ideal voltage source that has current already flowing through it. This voltage polarity is opposite to that which created the current flow that is flowing through the ideal voltage source. But for you MH,the transition is just going to nice and smooth--isnt it?. How dose your !water through pipes! cope with this one MH?
Let me guess--the water just disappears,so as the flow can now start in the opposite direction :D

You only have the mind set to see what you want to see MH,and that only means you will never see reality.
You might be happy to live with that,but i am not.

I will be putting a simple rotoverter together this weekend,and i will be asking you a question.
Lets see how you go with that--lets see if you know more than me,when it comes to actual devices that involve inductors and magnetic fields.

You also need to back up your claim's,and take me up on my challenge--to prove to everyone that you do actually know more about inductors than i do,and how they react with magnetic fields.
Until such time,your words and accusations toward me, are nothing but rubbish and lies.


Brad

Your so happy making claims on everyone's abilities,but you have none of your own,nor can you/do you ever back up any of those claims by way of real world devices.
As i said--everything looks fine on paper to you-->as they did with the engineers that designed the Tacoma Narrows Bridge :D.

Carry on with your idiotic claims against me MH,but remember this-->you are the one that is afraid to take me on in a real word challenge,and that there is a fact.


Brad

MileHigh

I am going to give the answers to you that you couldn't figure out for yourself.  I was hoping and praying that you would apply yourself and push yourself and actually get up the learning curve by yourself, perhaps with just a little bit of help if you showed a desire and were really trying.  I am sure many others were hoping that you would do that too.  But no, it was a just morass of stupid fighting and stupid battles about what amounted to a whole bunch of stupid time-wasting junk.  You gave up and looked for your blanket in the form of wanting to play again and modify a motor. Then throw in the fact that you act like some bloody four-year-old child that lies when asked if he ate the last piece of chocolate, without realizing that he has melted chocolate at the corners of his mouth.

The answer is that the ideal coil integrates on voltage with respect to time to yield a current flow.  This has already been stated many times, but not in plain English like I am telling you now.  It's just like a shopping cart integrates on the force you push on it to yield a velocity.  Beyond that you wouldn't even touch the three variations on the question and if you did, you would have come to realize that a capacitor integrates on current flow with respect to time to yield a voltage.   Essentially the same as an inductor, you just have to swap voltage for current.

These are the most basic fundamental concepts that anybody that plays with electronics must understand, and all that you want to do is give up and play with another motor on your bench.

And in this day and age they make it so damn easy for you, there are actually integral calculators right on web sites.  So even if you don't know how to do an integral, there are web sites that will do it for you.  All that you need to have is an understanding of what integration means.

Partzman's question:   You have an ideal inductor of 5 Henrys.  If the ideal voltage source is a linear ramp that starts a zero seconds and ends after two seconds with a voltage of two volts, then what is the current?

That means that the equation for the current is i = t.  That's it, it's as simple as that.

The integration web sites use 'x' as the variable.  Therefore we can say that the equation for the current is i = x.

That means you just put 'x' into the integration calculator and press the button and get the answer.

Here:  http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp

Once that is done the question is 99% answered for you.  Do you have what it takes to give the actual final answer for Partzman's question?

MileHigh

Now let's look at the already answered question:

Question:  You have an ideal voltage source and an ideal coil of 5 Henrys.  At time t=0 seconds the coil connects to the ideal voltage source.  The voltage source waveform is 20*t^2.  So as the time t increases, the voltage increases proportional to the square of the time.

Answer:  The current through the ideal coil starts from zero at time t = 0 and then increases with this formula:  i = 1.33*t^3.

So all that you have to do is put 20x^2 into the integral calculator.

Go ahead:  http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp

Now the question will be 99% answered for you.  Do you have what it takes to arrive at the final answer that has already been given to you?