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MH's ideal coil and voltage question

Started by tinman, May 08, 2016, 04:42:41 AM

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Can a voltage exist across an ideal inductor that has a steady DC current flowing through it

yes it can
5 (25%)
no it cannot
11 (55%)
I have no idea
4 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 20

poynt99

Quote from: tinman on May 14, 2016, 10:48:30 AM
Here is your circuit MH
Make it any easier to understand now?
The MH paradox?

Brad
Brad,

An ideal voltage source is not properly illustrated as a short circuit.

You need to draw in a voltage source, or function generator there.
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verpies

Quote from: poynt99 on May 14, 2016, 10:33:28 AM
Here verpies misinterprets my post as referring to your circuit diagram with the short. As I explained, that is not what I was referring to.
Yes, and I stand corrected.  I thought that you were referring to the circuit stipulated by Tinman and depicted in Fig.3.

poynt99

Quote from: verpies on May 14, 2016, 10:53:57 AM
Yes, and I stand corrected.  I thought that you were referring to the circuit stipulated by Tinman and depicted in Fig.3.
Please draw out the current trace of your figure no. 3 then if V=1V and L=1H (both ideal).

If it is anything but an infinite amplitude, what is the point of illustrating it with a short circuit, other than to add confusion?
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tinman

Quote from: poynt99 on May 14, 2016, 10:52:12 AM
Brad,

An ideal voltage source is not properly illustrated as a short circuit.

You need to draw in a voltage source, or function generator there.

If it has no internal resistance through that ideal voltage source,how can it not be a short circuit?

Please post a diagram you !your! ideal voltage source.

This is the paradox i am referring to,and why an ideal voltage source cannot exist,and/or be placed across an ideal inductor.
What would happen if we reduced the internal series resistance of a charged cap(say 1000uF with 10 volts across it) to a value of 0(added),and then used that as our ideal voltage source,and placed the ideal inductor across it ?.


Brad

tinman

Quote from: poynt99 on May 14, 2016, 11:03:56 AM
Please draw out the current trace of your figure no. 3 then if V=1V and L=1H (both ideal).

If it is anything but an infinite amplitude, what is the point of illustrating it with a short circuit, other than to add confusion?

Figure 3 represents MHs circuit.


Brad