MH's ideal coil and voltage question

[Magluvin]

Yeah, I just forwarded you an email.  You yourself read the same email less than a year ago as a recipient.  You can swallow it, you don't have to go the other way.

Its more of a moral issue. If Mark wrote that to you in 'private' then it was to be private. Like why pick and choose what to release? Why not just post all of his pms to you? Wouldnt be the right thing to do???

Mags

[MileHigh]

Its more of a moral issue. If Mark wrote that to you in 'private' then it was to be private. Like why pick and choose what to release? Why not just post all of his pms to you? Wouldnt be the right thing to do???

Mags

The biggest moral issue for you is to not fall into the ugly trap of becoming a predatory harasser that enjoys the pain and suffering that he inflicts on other people.  You need to keep your head space in the right place and not fall into that ugly trap and keep your moral compass pointed in the right direction.  It's like you are a reformed alcoholic that needs to never touch a drop.  Keep that in mind at all times.

I asked you to publicly state that you would not harass me any more and you refused to acknowledge my request and say anything.  You still have issues to work on.

I did not post anything from MarkE at all but I did make reference to what he said and considering that Chet was starting to emulate the worst behaviours that I have seen from you, and potentially fall into the same kind of ugly trap, I have no qualms about telling him what I told him.  He needs to reform himself and check his behaviour.

I am not perfect and I am no angel, but I know when I see wrongdoing.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

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Says the man that laughed at myself and Mags when we stated that in an ideal coil,the CEMF would be equal and opposite to that of the applied EMF.

As you say over there-You have drunk too much cool aid MH

Brad

And I think we are in super knickers twist territory here.

I would never have laughed at you if you stated that the CEMF would be equal and opposite the EMF because I agree with that.  So I don't know where that is coming from but I can venture a guess.

For starters, I am assuming that we are back to discussing a coil and not a motor.  When you state that the CEMF would be equal to the EMF you believe that no current would flow because the CEMF cancels out the EMF.  You believe that for current to flow in a coil the CEMF must be less than the EMF.

Well, that's where you are wrong.  When you apply EMF to a coil, the coil's CEMF is equal to the EMF and current flows through the coil.  Right now in your head that doesn't make sense but that is really the way it is.

This idea you have in your head about the requirement for a voltage difference is wrong.  And you are over confident with your little comments like "MH is just lost again" and "I think MH is having a bad day" and "aint that a hoot."

Unfortunately the joke is on you.  I don't really know if I am prepared to argue it out with you.  I am willing to try to close the loop with Poynt on this issue from an earlier posting but as far as I am concerned you are on your own.  Believe what you want to believe or figure it out with someone else.

[Magluvin]

Since we are talking about an ideal inductor and voltage source, the mechanism that allows the current to maintain infinitely in time is that there are no losses in the circuit. There is no mechanism to burn away the energy as heat.

So in an ideal conductor, say in a loop, when something occurs that causes the electrons flow in the loop and that something is taken away, the electrons maintain that flow until a situation occurs that would stop that flow?

If so, then the ideal conductor doesnt require energy for electrons to be stripped from atoms and move them from atom to atom, jumping shell to shell.  I can understand the seeming inertial effects of an inductor on electrons in its conductors, but not inertial effects of moving electrons on their own. This might incur that electrons have mass. And the seeming inertial effects of electrons of the inductor are when the field is collapsing. In this situation there is no field collapse or motion of the fields at all. So what mechanism keeps the electrons flowing in the loop? What energy is 'stored' that keeps the flow going? What form is the energy stored as?

Mags

[Magluvin]

The biggest moral issue for you is to not fall into the ugly trap of becoming a predatory harasser that enjoys the pain and suffering that he inflicts on other people.  You need to keep your head space in the right place and not fall into that ugly trap and keep your moral compass pointed in the right direction.  It's like you are a reformed alcoholic that needs to never touch a drop.  Keep that in mind at all times.

I asked you to publicly state that you would not harass me any more and you refused to acknowledge my request and say anything.  You still have issues to work on.

I did not post anything from MarkE at all but I did make reference to what he said and considering that Chet was starting to emulate the worst behaviours that I have seen from you, and potentially fall into the same kind of ugly trap, I have no qualms about telling him what I told him.  He needs to reform himself and check his behaviour.

I am not perfect and I am no angel, but I know when I see wrongdoing.

MileHigh

I think the readers know the difference. Twist it all you want. Even your peers have spoken.

Mags