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Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields

Started by ZL, June 29, 2016, 01:37:07 PM

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telecom

Quote from: ZL on February 28, 2017, 05:41:01 AM
This sounds like Bessler Wheel logic. But just saying this will not bring it home to you. Therefore let us pick apart your explanation, and examine the validity of each claim and idea.

If the wave machine is only a bunch of balanced weights for you, then why don't you start checking your theory by examining one single balanced weight? Imagine a modified special seesaw, which is not close to the ground, but it is at a height which allows the arms to make complete rotations around the axis. Now, you do the same as Prof. did in the video. You grab one end of the balanced seesaw, move it down a little and immediately move it up again into its starting position. Before you release the seesaw, make sure that the arm is stationary (v=0) just like it was before the start of our experiment. Now will this seesaw perform any oscillatory movement like it was observed in the wave machine? If gravity is the restoring force of any potential oscillation (like in the case of a simple pendulum), then your seesaw must oscillate.

An alternative experiment is to just rise one end of the seesaw, make sure that it is stationary, and release it. Will it start to oscillate like a pendulum?

I don't respond to the second part of your post, because it makes no sense at all, and first we have to get you understand what is wrong with your explanation.
I think you are saying that the total potential + kinetic energy of the system is unchanged, like in a pendulum?


BTW, I wasn't able to watch the video - can't open that file.

ZL

Quote from: telecom on February 28, 2017, 11:05:56 AM
I think you are saying that the total potential + kinetic energy of the system is unchanged, like in a pendulum?

I was explaining that gravity can not be responsible for an oscillatory motion in a balanced seesaw; neither can it play any major role in the operating principle of the wave machine. This is not a pendulum. A simple pendulum is unbalanced when it is released at an off center point. The seesaw is balanced in all possible positions at all angles, therefore gravity can not develop an active unbalanced resultant force on it at any angle. Without such a force it can not accelerate or decelerate, thus it can not oscillate. Wherever you turn it, it will remain in that position as long as no other force acts upon it.

QuoteBTW, I wasn't able to watch the video - can't open that file.

Which video? This one?
AT&T Archives: Similiarities of Wave Behavior (Bonus Edition)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DovunOxlY1k

I suspect you are talking about the java applet, which is an interactive simulator, not a video:
Wave Machine Model
http://www.opensourcephysics.org/items/detail.cfm?ID=10481

Download the download 1694kb.jar double click on it, and you are ready to start playing with waves and observe their motion in real time, just like the Prof. did in the video.

If it does not work then you will have to install Java on your PC first:
https://java.com/en/download/


telecom

In the above video an original energy is supplied by  the torque
when stressing the supporting wire.
It can be equal to the force x arch of the bend.
This in turn creates a torsion stress in the above wire.
The rest of the system behaves as a multitude of the pendulums
oscillating around the point of the equilibrium.

telecom

Trying to generalize,
it looks that the energy of the waves is greatly dependent on the properties of
the  medium. In this case, the elasticity of the wire material.
What is elasticity?
Its a property of the matter, in this case, the steel.
This matter consists of the atoms.
Perhaps by stressing it we can influence the atomic structure ?

ZL

Quote from: telecom on February 28, 2017, 09:30:01 PM
This in turn creates a torsion stress in the above wire. The rest of the system behaves as a multitude of the pendulums oscillating around the point of the equilibrium.

Nice one! Now you are getting close to really understanding how the wave machine works. As I have already started to point out in my previous post, the wave propagation is based on the oscillatory movement of mass particles in mechanics and acoustics (or on the oscillatory variation of EM fields in electromagnetics). A pendulum is also an oscillator; therefore it makes complete sense to imagine the wave machine to be a chain of coupled torsion pendulums.

There are several different pendulums:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum
But in this case we are interested in the torsion pendulum:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_spring
More specifically we are interested in torsional harmonic oscillators, which are also briefly discussed on the above page.

QuoteThis matter consists of the atoms. Perhaps by stressing it we can influence the atomic structure?

Sure, by twisting a metal rod you are distorting the crystal structure of the material. The bonds between the atoms get stretched or compressed. But in order to understand the working principle of the wave machine and calculate the energy content of a wave pulse, we don't need to go down to atomic level. All we need is to understand the macroscopic behavior of elasticity and its quantitative analysis.

The next step for you is to study a bit the torsion pendulum and its mathematical analysis. The equation of motion of the torsional oscillator is already given on the wiki page. But there is a wealth of information online about this subject at all possible levels of understanding. We need university level of understanding here, because we must be able to derive the formula for the energy content of a wave pulse.

Google has offered many hits for torsion pendulum. Here are some:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GAdMAm1-3o
http://vlab.amrita.edu/index.php?sub=1&brch=280&sim=1518&cnt=1
http://vlab.amrita.edu/index.php?sub=1&brch=280&sim=1518&cnt=4

When you are done with digesting the material, then please try to summarize and explain the working mechanism of the wave machine as a series of coupled torsional oscillators. You may also perform a google search about coupled oscillators, or coupled pendulums to give you an idea how to attack the problem.