Graham Gunderson's Energy conference presentation Most impressive and mysterious

[k4zep]

I think he is measuring "input power" as input to the transformer, that is, between the H-bridge output and the input to the transformer.
There has been some discussion on this matter. It is my opinion that the input power should be measured as input to the power supply to the H-bridge and should also include the inputs to the other necessary power supplies, but obviously not everyone agrees with me.

I agree with you TK.  If he wished to show that his transformer itself was "OU", the way he did it was correct.  IF he wished to show that the total device was OU, you needed to measure the power in at the source (wall plug) and the power out at the load.  If load power > Source power, OU possibly if instrumentation is correct.  As he had approximately 12VDC out, battery and or large Cap into a 12/110V converter back to input should loop it.  If it didn't, instrumentation would be imperfect!

Ben K4ZEP

[poynt99]

If he wished to show that his transformer itself was "OU", the way he did it was correct.

It is pretty clear that is what he was trying to do.

Therefore input power is measured after the H-Bridge.

Measuring before the H-Bridge is like saying one needs to measure the AC power feeding their bench DC power supply when it is supplying DC power to a DUT. Which of course makes no sense.

[TinselKoala]

No. The peculiar characteristics of the H-bridge and the Synchronous Rectifier are critical components of the "OU" system and the power supplied _to_ these components is part of the input to the device.  The device would not work without these subsystems with their particular details, and their tuning is critical to the operation.

The timing breadboard, as we now know, is providing an ordinary set of signals with some tuning variability to the rest of the circuit, and this set of signals could be coming from many other sources, there is nothing particularly special about them. Furthermore, they are not of a nature as to be able to supply significant power to the output, since they are low-power, high-impedance signals that are going to mosfet drivers in the functional parts of the circuit. So I can accept that the power input to the breadboard timing circuit doesn't need to be included as part of the "input".

The input to a DC power supply is not necessarily part of the "input" because it could be substituted by a battery pack, a capacitor bank w/ impedance matching, or a different DC power supply. The peculiar characteristics of the DC power supply don't matter. However the _output_ of such a supply, which is powering the H-bridge and the Synchronous Diode, is necessary for the device to function and apparently _can_ provide power which appears on the final overall output -- since there is clearly power in the final output.

If one takes the position that only input _real_ power to the transformer itself need be counted as "input" then one is forced, it seems to me, to also conclude that my microQEG, to mention only one device of mine, is also OU in the same way that Gunderson's transformer is. Maybe that's why I got asked if I wanted to present the device at the GlobalBem conference.

In the comments on my video "Texas Has Resonance" :

JohnEnergy2012 4 months ago

Would you like to show this during our conference? Contact me: john@globalbem.com facebook.com/Globalbem

I don't think .99 believes that my microQEG is overunity. Neither do I, for that matter, since I count as _input_ the DC power that is required to operate its peculiar oscillator, without which the device would not function, and _output_ the real power produced in the air-core transformer secondary which drives a bulb, motor or HV capacitor/spark gap.

[Vortex1]

Has anyone read this book ?

http://grahamgunderson.com/ou/

Maybe it contains a basic philosophy how to proceed, and perhaps the basic circuit, as it seems to claim in the advert.

"A REAL OVERUNITY TRANSFORMER DEMONSTRATED TO AN AUDIENCE AND DETAILS ON HOW TO REPLICATE "

Note: "Details on how to replicate"

Comes with a 100% money back guarantee if not satisfied. How can you lose.

It is one of a collection of books being sold at: http://johnbedini.net/

I realize current printing is from the conference last year, but will probably be revised soon to include the  most recent conference.

[TinselKoala]

And how many "successful replications" have been performed according to information in that book? How many people are running their homes from it, or have applied for and received any of the many OU prizes that are out there? After all, the book is old news.