Graham Gunderson's Energy conference presentation Most impressive and mysterious

[poynt99]

I agree. If the output impedance of the H-bridge is anything other than very low or very high at any point during the cycle, then it would be considered part of the device. Otherwise, it is simply a powerful function generator supplying juice to GG's transformer, and should be treated as such.

[poynt99]

Exactly. The "H-bridge" in Gunderson's device is not, and cannot be treated as, any kind of "normal" or bench-top power supply (referring here to TinMan's post.)

I never said it was a normal power supply, I said it was a power supply with a specific wave form. Essentially a high voltage, wave-form-specific FG.

It is an integral part of the device and the claim of "ou" would never even get out of the starting gate without it.

Ok, answer this question; Given a device that required a square wave output from a FG to measure Pout>Pin, but measures Pout<Pin when the wave form is changed to sine, is the wave form critical to the device achieving OU, or is it the FG itself?

[ramset]

99
Sorry I started this post before you posted
takes a long time for me to draft even a simple post and I Did not mean to interrupt the discussion
here is a valid comment from post #143 by member Spokane1
Snip"
a well regulated power supply would work just as well. If this technology is viable then we might need an extra 25% more input power. That would raise the measured input power from 1.53 watts to 1.91 watts . That would lower the COP from 6.12 to 5.07 and address all your measurement concerns (I think). This assumes that the output power can remain at 10 watts.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
respectfully
Chet K


                                                                                           .

[Spokane1]

Dear All,

Here is my perception of how the circuit is wired and one possible implementation of an attempted simulation. I've only been into this a few hours. Also attached are some response traces to single and double current pulses.

Spokane1

[lancaIV]

http://patents.justia.com/patent/5130608
In one example, the module circuit is adjusted to produce 4,000 pulses per second with a pulse width of about 10 microseconds (with an average resting interval of about 240 microseconds), a load of 100 ohms, and a charging potential of 100 volts.


Using Ohm's Law, these conditions would produce 100 watts of peak power.
Using Equation I, the average power in the Example 1 can thus be calculated, i.e., about 4 watts.
Assuming that the power dissipated in the module itself is approximately 8 watts, the total average energy consumed is the sum of energy expenditure due to load and energy dissipated in the working module, namely a grand total of about 12 watts.


( Only to understand the difference:  +/- 90% savings and not = misconception " C.O.P. 10X" )

Clearly, the average power consumed in the pulsed incandescence of a light bulb under the control of the inventive module of this example is as low as almost one-tenth the amount consumed in a conventional AC power supply for an incandescent light bulb.


Not only for luminaires : http://www.google.com/patents/US5942858