Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.

[guest1289]

I'm still trying to find electric field around spinning magnet

    APOLOGIES - I ACCIDENTALLY TYPED  'MAGNETIC-FIELD',   INSTEAD OF  'ELECTRIC-FIELD',   WHEN I FIRST POSTED  'THIS POST'.

    You probably already know that apparently if you freeze a permanent-magnet,  it's  'Electric-Field' becomes permanently visible in the ice,  but I can't find this mentioned on wikipedia or on any credible-scientific-website.

  However,  I have never heard of this being tried with a  spinning-magnet,  that could be done in a hollow part in the ice,  or outside the ice.

   You can see a photo of the frozen  'Electric-Field'  on the  webpage  in the quoted-text  below,  from a post I made on another thread

-  The proof that a  permanent-magnet( an unpowered-magnet )  has an electric-field can be viewed when a magnet is frozen solid in water,  the  Electric-Field then becomes clearly visible
        In the webpage below, find the text -  "Notice the angle of the electric field thats perpendicular to the magnet" - ,  to see the photo of the frozen magnetic-field of a permanent-magnet
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/9680-tube-driven-tpus-construction-zone-5.html
          However,  I wonder if when you freeze a permanent-magnet,  it may become closer to being a super-conductor,  which is actually different to a room-temperature permanent-magnet,  but obviously a frozen permanent-magnet is not as cold as a  super-conductor( a much lower temperature,  frozen permanent-magnet )

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   The Following Relates To  Energy-Amplification  Via  Geometrical-Means,   For Example,  A Motor With A Large-Wheel On It's Axle,  And That Large-Wheel Turns A Small-Wheel Which Is On The Axle Of A Generator.
      It Relates To This Thread,   Because Of A Detail In The Last Paragraph.

   Faraday's First Motors,  And Generators, Seem To Have No Points Of Electromagnetic-Friction,  So,  I'm Thinking If They Would be Ideal To Test Out The Theories Of  'Energy-Amplification'  Via Geometrical-Means/'Purely-Mechanical/Electrical'( Geometrical-Means, see above)  Designs,  Which Are Usually Discredited Due To Torque.

    However,  I assume that faraday's initial generators( and all subsequent others) did in fact have problems with the electromagnetic-eddies( lenz's law ) that they created.

   -  The question was asked on this thread,  that if  when the speed of  faraday's-homopolar-generator  is increased,  whether or not it generates more voltage,   I think the only answer provided,   was that  faraday's-homopolar-generator  needs a very high rpm to generate any power.

[FreeEnergy]

Has anyone confirmed this to be true?


https://youtu.be/QscxVfZV7cA

[Dog-One]

It is a real phenomena yes.  Making one of these generators is
most certainly a mechanical challenge though.  For Mr. Thrapp
everything he says is easy, I beg to differ.

If I were to attempt doing this again, I would take some of the
advice from Mr. Tesla and use a spiral conductive disc so you
have a chance of seeing some actual useful voltage--greater
than one volt at least.  I would also consider using a high turn
count stationary electromagnet for the field.  Dealing with large
N52 magnets is simply too dangerous.  The forces there are just
next level difficult to work with.  With bearings that can handle
high temperature operation, I might try using molten solder as
the liquid bearing.  Seems to me though this might try to stick
and end up flinging solder everywhere.  Mercury would work,
but you'll need so much of it, that it becomes prohibitive.  It
won't be trivial heating the whole device up to temperatures
where the solder melts and flows easily.

A note Mr. Thrapp overlooked...  When the temperatures get
high enough, your permanent magnets will be destroyed and will
have to be remagnetized once they cool down.  Another reason
to abandoned using them and instead use an electromagnet.

The main obstacle is getting useful voltage out of the machine.
Amperage as stated in the video is for all practical purposes
unlimited.  If using an electromagnet for the field source, once
you harvest enough power to operate it, the rest is all gravy.

I'd be very interested in seeing anything someone has come up
with that overcomes many of the physical challenges with this
device.  It may not be rocket science, but it is right up there when
using widely available materials instead of stuff only accessible
by defense contractors.

[phoneboy]

Listened to that video.  The most important concept they touched on was that there essentially is no paradox.  Magnetic fields don't spin on their magnetization axis so the disc spinning by itself or spinning along w the magnet are essentiall the same.  Applying the lorentz force to this type device will show you that.  The best take i've seen on this was what Tesla alluded to in his notes on a unipolar dynamo. Although, its kind of surprising that he (Tesla) may have overlooked an effect that he clearly knew about that would allow the creation of brushless type device.  I don't agree with the overunity claim as we know overunity doesn't exist.

[sm0ky2]

    APOLOGIES - I ACCIDENTALLY TYPED  'MAGNETIC-FIELD',   INSTEAD OF  'ELECTRIC-FIELD',   WHEN I FIRST POSTED  'THIS POST'.

    You probably already know that apparently if you freeze a permanent-magnet,  it's  'Electric-Field' becomes permanently visible in the ice,  but I can't find this mentioned on wikipedia or on any credible-scientific-website.

  However,  I have never heard of this being tried with a  spinning-magnet,  that could be done in a hollow part in the ice,  or outside the ice.

   You can see a photo of the frozen  'Electric-Field'  on the  webpage  in the quoted-text  below,  from a post I made on another thread___________

   The Following Relates To  Energy-Amplification  Via  Geometrical-Means,   For Example,  A Motor With A Large-Wheel On It's Axle,  And That Large-Wheel Turns A Small-Wheel Which Is On The Axle Of A Generator.
      It Relates To This Thread,   Because Of A Detail In The Last Paragraph.

   Faraday's First Motors,  And Generators, Seem To Have No Points Of Electromagnetic-Friction,  So,  I'm Thinking If They Would be Ideal To Test Out The Theories Of  'Energy-Amplification'  Via Geometrical-Means/'Purely-Mechanical/Electrical'( Geometrical-Means, see above)  Designs,  Which Are Usually Discredited Due To Torque.

    However,  I assume that faraday's initial generators( and all subsequent others) did in fact have problems with the electromagnetic-eddies( lenz's law ) that they created.

   -  The question was asked on this thread,  that if  when the speed of  faraday's-homopolar-generator  is increased,  whether or not it generates more voltage,   I think the only answer provided,   was that  faraday's-homopolar-generator  needs a very high rpm to generate any power.

In a permanent magnet, the electric moments are aligned just like the magnetic moments
But 90-degrees rotated


Water, being dielectric, has a tendency to polarize opposite the electric field.
At the moment of freezing, the crystals solidify in this arrangement.


If the magnet were spinning, the crystal domains would each have different vectors
Because the electric field is changing over time.
Most likely the field changes will occur so quickly that the crystal alignment would be
so incoherent as to be unobserved.