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Would a DC-Motor Rotate Inside a Ring-Magnet ?

Started by guest1289, August 24, 2016, 10:42:30 PM

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   Would the  DC-Motor in the animated-diagram in the LINK below,  'Rotate',   if the 2-Permanent-Magnets in that motor,  were replaced with a  ring-permanent-magnet ?

    ( it would not require commutation for this question  )

    (  would the DC-Motor rotate inside a ring-permanent-magnet instead  )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ejs_Open_Source_Direct_Current_Electrical_Motor_Model_Java_Applet_(_DC_Motor_)_80_degree_split_ring.gif   

   (  NOTE : In this animated-diagram,  I can only see that the  electromagnetic-fields  from the relevant sections of the rotating-wire,  are actually  'Parallel'   to the  Magnetic-Field occurring between the 2-permanent-magnets,   instead of being   'Perpendicular'   ?  , 
       SO,  MAYBE this DC-Motor could be a  current-carrying-wire-ring  rotating inside of a   ring-permanent-magnet  )


guest1289

Quoteball-cup generator(motor)


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=DE&NR=19741256A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19990930&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP

  Admittedly it's too difficult for me to figure out how the  'ball-cup generator(motor)' functions, as it's presented on there,  but if it's not  brushless,  then it may work like a current-carrying-wire sliding against a metal-ball through which the current also flows,   I have seen working examples on the internet .
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       The closest I can find to a motor spinning in a  ring-magnet   is :
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Floppy_drive_spindle_motor_open.jpg

      I can't actually understand how this one functions either .

      I don't have the background or experience to easily understand electric-motors.
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    However,  there may be some methods to achieve the same effect as a  'DC-Motor Rotating Inside a Ring-Magnet' ,  the only method I can think of at the moment is :
     - Sideways-Overlapping of  'numerous-additional'  of the  permanent-magnets already present in the following motor  :
             
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ejs_Open_Source_Direct_Current_Electrical_Motor_Model_Java_Applet_(_DC_Motor_)_80_degree_split_ring.gif 

           This could look like the brick-wall pattern.

            I don't know many variations of this idea there could exist,  in all sorts of unrecognizable configurations.

guest1289

   I have to make another post,  instead of updating the post I just made a few minutes ago,  so as not to affect the date/time stamp on that post.
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  I'm wondering what about Electric-Versions( hopefully DC ) of my Non-Electric Magnet-Motors,  Magnet-Motor 3.5( Magnet-Motor 10.5 ),      OR,     of any of my  Numerous other  Magnet-Motor  designs which I have posted on this site.
      -   However,  Some of my  Magnet-Motor designs are not posted on this site,  they are only in the  EARLY-DESIGNS-DOCUMENT.doc  file  Attached Below,  the link appears in small text( difficult to see ) on this post.
          (  That  .doc file  contains a lot of my early designs,     the  Magnet-Motors( Some of which I did not call Magnet-Motors in that  document )  are in  diagrams in that  document,  unfortunately amendments to designs in that document are located all over the place,  in that document.   
              -  That document contains the idea of using a magnet shaped like an aircraft-wing to create propulsion in the field between two magnets.
              -  It also contains an idea of using  overlapping-stator-magnets  to cause a Fully-Levitating-Permanent-Magnet( contradicting Earnshaw's-Theorem ) shaped in some shape I couldn't think of,   
to Rotate.
              -  There may be some more  magnetic-perpetual-motion ideas in that document,  but the  'toy-car' idea is probably worthless.

    Would there be any performance advantages( Doubt-It ! )  in having electric-versions( hopefully DC ) of my Magnet-Motors,  Magnet-Motor 3.5( Magnet-Motor 10.5 ),    OR,     any of my  Numerous other  Magnet-Motor  designs,     in terms of having more efficient  electric-motors,     I can see how some of the designs would look.

guest1289

QuoteHowever,  there may be some methods to achieve the same effect as a  'DC-Motor Rotating Inside a Ring-Magnet' ,  the only method I can think of at the moment is :
     - Sideways-Overlapping of  'numerous-additional'  of the  permanent-magnets already present in the following motor  :

     There may be another method :
     -   it would be to use a permanent-magnet that is shaped like a coil ( spiral ) and the DC-Motor would rotate inside of that,  instead of inside a ring-magnet