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Why a permanent magnet does not lose magnetism when magnetizeing iron/ferrite

Started by Low-Q, September 22, 2016, 10:57:38 AM

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Low-Q

Webby1 had an excellent question. Why does permanent magnets not lose magnetism after magnetizing another magnetic material over and over again?


I passed this question to Physics Forums where I'm a member.


I got his answer:
"Magnets don't give part of their magnetism to the other object when they magnetise it. So they lose nothing.


When a piece of unmagnetised material is placed next to a magnet, the flux in the magnet may actually increase. This is the principle of the keeper that we used to use with our old iron magnets: a piece of unmagnetised high permeability iron is placed across the poles of a horseshoe magnet or two pieces across the ends of a pair of bar magnets. This ensured that during storage there was a high flux through the magnet aligned in the direction that keeps the domains correctly aligned, especially near the poles.
So when an ummagnetised material is placed near a magnet's pole , it does nothing that would demagnetise the magnet. The unmagnetised material gets some flux through it and when the magnet is removed, some of the flux remains, depending on the remnance of the material.
The magnet temporarily enjoys a higher flux level and reverts to its original level when the other material is removed. The process can be repeated indefinitely.
If the magnet is placed near another magnet with like poles together, the flux is reduced. When the other magnet is removed, it may return to its former level, but it may be permanently reduced, depending on the strength of the other magnet and the properties of the material of which it is made (coercivity.)
Since Nd magnets are pretty strong, it would take another stronger Nd magnet to demagnetise it. As you found, the Nd magnet being much stronger than the ferrite, was able to demagnetise it and even remagnetise it in a different orientation. This is because the Nd is strong enough to produce a reverse field in the ferrite when the magnetic field strengths are added.


Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/magnets-and-demagnetization.886071/

forest


Low-Q

Quote from: forest on September 22, 2016, 11:07:35 AM
What about the magnet attached to the fridge ? Does it work ?
I have made these fridge magnets stronger by placing a neodymium on them for a short second.
Fridge magnets do not work, the are just components that is stuck to the fridge because they're hungry... :D


Vidar

forest

In other words : does magnetization require energy to be spent ? I believe, yes and I believe it needs it continuously to fight against gravity.

lancaIV


                    cobalt(AlNiCo),neodymium,samarium,cerium,(Lanthaniden) and radioactivity conversion:

Why a permanent radiactive material decay does not lose magnetism when magnetizing iron/ferrite or
probably also non-ferrite !