Magnets, motion and measurement

[ayeaye]

3 thumbs up

Citfta,

You can of course express your hostility towards me. I have been called names and whatever, much worse than that, because of science, and programming. Finally it appeared that they all were wrong, but it seems to be a human behavior towards all new and yet unknown to them. It looks like that this is what all should go through, who want to find something new. You find out about the people who did, they tell that this was the case, i last heard that Robbert Schoch told that, you name it. This continues until all are tired of this, and finally realize that it makes no sense.

Your statement makes no sense, btw, human has two thumbs, where do you take the third? Ayeaye has no thumbs, btw, and god also has only fingers and not thumbs, by scriptures at least.

[citfta]

Ayeaye,


I have NO hostility towards you.  Just because I do not agree with your actions does not mean I am your enemy.  In fact I have tried to be very respectful in my requests for you to stop polluting this thread with your posts.  I am having a hard time understanding why you can't see that continually posting your objections to this thread is not only rude but also disrespectful to those that are trying to experiment and possibly learn something.


I think we all understand you do not agree with the conclusions that Floor, Norman and myself are coming to.  You have made that very clear multiple times.  WE GET IT!  But we are tired of hearing it over and over again.


Three thumbs up is an expression in my part of the country that just means we agree with someone or something.


Again, respectfully,
Carroll

[ayeaye]

I have NO hostility towards you.  Just because I do not agree with your actions does not mean I am your enemy.  In fact I have tried to be very respectful in my requests for you to stop polluting this thread with your posts.  I am having a hard time understanding why you can't see that continually posting your objections to this thread is not only rude but also disrespectful to those that are trying to experiment and possibly learn something.

You are expressing the weird behavior like some people do, they shake their head when they are supposed to nod. Or your logic is broken. Yes you assured me again that you are hostile towards me, i knew that already, no need to do that again and again.

I have not seen any respect from you, sorry. Except you saying that you have it, but the rest that you say tells the direct opposite.

I have expressed respect towards you, where i have seen it proper. That you were the first who measured magnets with scales, that your bench was very well made. And that you are trying to research overunity, i'm certainly one who knows that it's not easy. But you disregard all that and try to discredit me in every possible way.

I don't want to hear more broken logic from you, sorry. It is not possible to argue against broken logic.

[norman6538]

Floor's numbers very much agree with mine. It is very clear that it takes very little to elicit the magnetic twist which will lift a weight but when the magnets are twisted they attract and that is the sticky spot. In order to repeat the cycle the magnets have to be separated and back to 90 degrees and that takes a good bit of work. But that work can be reduced greatly with several tricks. If you try to brute force pull them apart it will take almost the same amount of work as the first step in the cycle generated. So you need a "closer stronger compensator". For those skilled in the art there are numerous ways to make the "closer stronger compensator". But since I have had to work entirely alone with almost no encouragement I will keep those ways to myself for now. That statement makes me very sad.

For example I have an engineer neighbor who I described the magnetic twist to and he said he'd come and see it tomorrow. As you can guess tomorrow was over a week ago and he never came.

Folks Floor is on to something and no one has even tried my simple coffee cup machine and reported back. 

Norman, a very sad day it is.

[ayeaye]

It is very clear that it takes very little to elicit the magnetic twist which will lift a weight but when the magnets are twisted they attract and that is the sticky spot. In order to repeat the cycle the magnets have to be separated and back to 90 degrees and that takes a good bit of work.

If you mean, approach, twist, then separate, and twist back, in the Coulomb model there is no overunity in all that operation. Thus it has to be shown how it differs from the Coulomb model, and how this difference provides overunity, and then measure that there is a gain of energy. If this is not done, then i don't know how this setup can be good. I don't say that there cannot be overunity though, as can be in so many things.

But i have a setup where i measured that it has a gain of energy, this is replicated, the results are confirmed, and it is also explained what is the difference from the Coulomb model there, and how it causes a gain of energy. Thus there is a reason to use my setup.

I though wish success to Floor and you, to succeed in getting overunity the way you try. But i recommend to think it through, how differences from the Coulomb model may cause overunity there, and change the setup if necessary, so that they do.

Maybe it works better in the opposite way, approach when magnets are straight and opposite, then twist and separate?