Magnets, motion and measurement

[Floor]

I suspect that what you and Citfta show, is just an ordinary shielding. Magnets made of iron certainly also work as shields. Other magnets, depends on what exactly are they made of, even ceramic magnets can work as shields. If so, all this intricate interaction of poles, etc, is just unnecessary. What it's basically about is just putting a shield between two magnets, certainly the magnet that repelled before, then will not, rather it attracts to the shield. And no overunity or anything in it.

This is of course my opinion. I thought how such experiments look like in the Coulomb model, and i found that in that model one magnet cannot shield another. And then i though, wait a minute, does it happen in these experiments either, or is it just an ordinary shield between two magnets. If you disagree, you should show that the shield magnet there doesn't work as an ordinary shield.

Analytical thinking.

As you say "This is of course my opinion."

As I said, You have not understand the concepts presented here.

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". But this magnetic shield device has an even greater problem of friction, moving the shield magnet forth and back is moving a long distance, and in spite it looks very little friction, when measured, it may be more than the positive energy. And, it is very difficult to make a continuously moving device based on that, and when done, this would add friction even much more. "

                           Not so

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6va1an
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"But we deal with the same, consider that, that's all due to the asymmetry of the magnetic field."

                            NO its not about asymmetry of the fields
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"I understand the disappointment, maybe finding that what you do is not really overunity, after you likely spent a lot of time and effort for that."
                     
                            I have had plenty of failed  O.U. attempts and accept those failures as learning experiences.
                            Your proclamation of not really O.U, doesn't make it so.  Fact is you don't know if any of this is O.U. or not.

                                             Please understand what I am saying here.                         

                          My disappointment is in your persistence in representing your self as if you had  read and understood the
                          concepts and devices I have presented in this topic.   Really... You've been off track all over the place.  You have
                          miss assumed half of what you have commented on.  This is no bueno, those misunderstandings misdirect
                          other readers / the topic its self.   

                       I hope I have gotten your attention.  Please be more careful in the future.
               respectfully
                     floor

           
                   

[ayeaye]

                            NO its not about asymmetry of the fields

And how do you know?

If you claim that one field shields another field, this is a grandiose claim to make, and then you should also have at least some kind of theoretical explanation how one field can shield another field. And unless you really know it, i don't think that you can be sure that it doesn't involve asymmetry of the fields. Just a theoretical discussion, i don't see that you so far have shown that the effect in your and Citfta's experiments is anything else than ordinary shielding.

So your bench has a precision 4 grams. Not enough i think to measure the interaction of the shields that i talked about, as by my estimations the precision needed for that is 1/10 grams. What concerns the precision of the bench, also consider that friction greatly increases when there are forces between the magnets, and precision likely greatly decreases. Saying that, i think that your bench is a good and very well made device.

What concerns showing overunity, in case of interaction of magnets that i showed, all that is really necessary is to show that a magnet accelerates when it passes other magnet, no need in that case to measure forces. But this requires a very low friction, that may not be possible to achieve.

It is not only friction and too much energy necessary for moving with that friction in your and Citfta's experiments, it is worse. If it is just an ordinary shielding, then it shows no overunity, even when disregarding friction.

It would be great if you and Cifta can show that there is something else than ordinary shielding, and there is some overunity, really great. But as i see it, so far nothing shows that it is anything else than ordinary shielding in your experiments, no measurements or anything else show that this is not the case. Make no mistake, i were happy if any experiment really did show overunity, even when disregarding friction.

So far all i can do, is to try to measure the asymmetry of the forces in the magnet, the only feasible way i know so far to show overunity in magnets in a fully measurable way. But forces are too small, if my spring scales anyhow enable to do that, and i'm much too poor to get any more precise instruments.

Btw, you want me to see all your videos, but have you ever watched this video about my experiment  https://archive.org/details/Flcm3 ? I don't think so. And i showed elsewhere here, that this gain of energy is about asymmetry of the fields of the magnets, i also showed by a picture of iron filings such asymmetry on a magnet. This experiment was not fully measured, so no proof, true, but so are not your experiments.

[sm0ky2]

There are many ways in which one magnetic field can shield another.
The field of the earth shields the field of the moon.
The field of the ionosphere shields the field of the sun


This device shields in reverse, but the principal is exactly the same
https://youtu.be/bRDKOcfrI-Y

[ayeaye]

The field of the earth shields the field of the moon.

Does it? When there is ebb on one side of the earth, there is tide on the opposite side of the earth, check it out. The moon's gravitational field therefore goes through the earth's gravitational field.

[sm0ky2]

Does it? When there is ebb on one side of the earth, there is tide on the opposite side of the earth, check it out. The moon's gravitational field therefore goes through the earth's gravitational field.

At a distance, all magnetic fields permeate everything.
At close range, the dominant field rules the volume of space.


Just as our compasses point towards the North,
Instead of up at the moons greater magnetic field.


The smaller magnets around the 'tractor beam' dominate over the larger center magnet
until it gets in range, then the repulsion becomes effective.


If you get close enough to the moon your compass will point towards it.
There is a point in between where the 2 fields will balance out and there is equal attraction
and repulsion just like the 'tractor beam'.


Reverse the tractor beam so you have repulsion outside and attraction inside.
With the proper proportions it works exactly the same.