Magnets, motion and measurement

[ayeaye]

I know because I understand it.  Its about balance between attracting and repelling forces giveing rise to
a net neutrality along some vectors.

You omit something essential, greedy simplification. In case of the supposed "shield magnet", the attracting and repelling forces balance each other between the "shield magnet" and the magnet next to it. But this does not balance the attracting and repelling forces between the two magnets at the two sides of the "shield magnet". When the magnetic fields of these magnets on two sides go through the magnetic field of the "shield  magnet".

And it is considered now in science that magnetic field goes through another magnetic field, one field doesn't shield another field. So i say, when you suggest something that differs from that, you claim something theoretically new. And you should then provide a theoretical reason why this happens, and how this happens, and also show experimentally that it happens. Neither of that has been done. This is just the scientific method and doesn't depend on me.

When it remains true that one field doesn't shield another, any effect of shielding is then for another reasons. The obvious reason is that magnets are made of magnetic material, that can act as shield when placed between two magnets. Similar to a piece of iron or other not magnetized magnetic material. This is what i call ordinary shielding.

> Please don't use this topic to attract comments to your experiments / Ideas.

This thread is about "Magnets, motion and measurement", right? So anything that is about magnets, motion and measurement, about all these three, can be in this thread, no matter whether it attracts attention or not, is it so?

> Ive done with all the magnet asymmetry  experiments for now, that I chose to explore, several years ago.
As you have said, not enough to over come friction / other problems.
     I wish you good luck and good hunting in your experiments.

So why are you trying to prevent a certain field of research from going on, by your sole discretion? I said it doesn't overcome friction, in ways it could been done by now. But i *did not* say that the research must be ended for that reason. To the opposite, i want this research to go on. Don't imply me saying that i have not said and that is the opposite to what i think and what i ever wanted to say, please.

[sm0ky2]

As I tried to say earlier, " shielding" is not really a shield, but a diverter
like a "T-pipe".


it is possible to shield a magnetic field up to our nanotech's ability.
higher frequency fields can still penetrate even our finest mesh Faraday cages.
As we advance this technology, we may be able to approach the wavelength of
our iron alloys and some ceramics.
Plank tells us our materials physics can never reach a cage small enough to block
the field of rare earth metals.
And absolutely never block higher magnetic radiation.


I think (personally) the diversion option is wasting our magnetic power.
It is better to think like Howard Johnson or how the 'tractor beam' works.
Use another magnet to overpower the field, either by compression or absorption
To warp the field and achieve the shape you desire.
Like a spring, a compressed magnetic field retains its' energy.
Where-as a "shield" sucks it up...

[Floor]

You omit something essential, greedy simplification. In case of the supposed "shield magnet", the attracting and repelling forces balance each other between the "shield magnet" and the magnet next to it. But this does not balance the attracting and repelling forces between the two magnets at the two sides of the "shield magnet". When the magnetic fields of these magnets on two sides go through the magnetic field of the "shield  magnet".

                                                            You are simply incorrect in this statement. 

Both of  the outside magnets (output magnets) have a neutrality of force in specific vectors (illustrated in certain of the drawings / designs).

There is nothing controverial in that action. 

It only requires a fair degree of precision in matching of the shapes and strengths of the magnets to one another to accomplish this.

The shielding magnet is also neutralized in a desirable vector.   

And it is considered now in science that magnetic field goes through another magnetic field, one field doesn't shield another field. So i say, when you suggest something that differs from that, you claim something theoretically new. And you should then provide a theoretical reason why this happens, and how this happens, and also show experimentally that it happens. Neither of that has been done. This is just the scientific method and doesn't depend on me.

                                                     I do not and have NEVER contend that they do.
                                         As I have said You are not understanding the subject matter.

When it remains true that one field doesn't shield another, any effect of shielding is then for another reasons. The obvious reason is that magnets are made of magnetic material, that can act as shield when placed between two magnets. Similar to a piece of iron or other not magnetized magnetic material. This is what i call ordinary shielding.

                      Yes, once again.. I agree / do not contend otherwise, that IN THE MANNER / SENSE IN WHICH YOU ARE PROJECTING  "one field doesn't shield another"

                     But I do not agree that

"any effect of shielding"....  IS FOR ....  "the obvious reason is that magnets are made of magnetic material, that can act as shield when placed between two magnets. Similar to a piece of iron or other not magnetized magnetic material. This is what i call ordinary shielding."

                                                   There is another aspect / reason for the shielding.
                Although I have also described this aspect / property of magnet interactions ... YOU ... refer to, in parts of these topics.

This thread is about "Magnets, motion and measurement", right? So anything that is about magnets, motion and measurement, about all these three, can be in this thread, no matter whether it attracts attention or not, is it so?

                   NO... there are thousnds of aspects to magnets motion and measurement that would be inappropriate at any point in the topic
and others that would be appropriate within the topic but only in the context of the current discussion.

So why are you trying to prevent a certain field of research from going on, by your sole discretion? I said it doesn't overcome friction, in ways it could been done by now. But i *did not* say that the research must be ended for that reason. To the opposite, i want this research to go on. Don't imply me saying that i have not said and that is the opposite to what i think and what i ever wanted to say, please.

                   I am not...  can not and do not intend to "prevent a certain field of research from going on"...

                                                   I CAN prevent it from going on in THIS topic.

             What I have said is a fact.... You have made repeated and incorrect statements and interpretations  of  / about the the interactions I have presented.

                           AND NO .... You are also mistaken if you think I have given you permission to  change this topic in to a discussion of your design / idea.

You bring relevant points to the topic,  but then again...   IF you  have read what I have just posted above, you should
also understand, that as I have said (4th time now)...

            You have been assuming incorrectly ... that you understand the mechanisms / operating principles
                           but also there fore, have been misrepresenting the interactions I have presented.

          Yes I get it, but do you get it that those aspects of / what you define as shielding are not the principle
          of operation here ?
         
                                                                        But also
                                I do hope that you  have / are coming closer to understanding the shielding.   

                                Let go of the idea that shielding is "blocking".  No kind of shielding, not even of a cannon ball
                                by a castle wall is any thing other than a redistribution of forces.


                                                  floor

[ayeaye]

                                                            You are simply incorrect in this statement. 

Both of  the outside magnets (output magnets) have a neutrality of force in specific vectors (illustrated in certain of the drawings / designs).

There is nothing controverial in that action. 

It only requires a fair degree of precision in matching of the shapes and strengths of the magnets to one another to accomplish this.

The shielding magnet is also neutralized in a desirable vector.

No, i don't know what do you mean by that. See the drawing below, this shows your "shield magnet" between two magnets. As one can see, the forces between the left and right magnet there don't balance each other, as you yourself agreed that a magnetic field doesn't shield another magnetic field.

> NO... there are thousnds of aspects to magnets motion and measurement that would be inappropriate at any point in the topic
and others that would be appropriate within the topic but only in the context of the current discussion.

No, your thread is named "Magnets, motion and measurements", also in your starting post you said that this thread is about anything regarding magnets, motion and measurement. You alone cannot decide what is appropriate in this thread and what is not. This is a public forum. And i don't have to create my own thread, but you should create a separate thread about your papers, if you want only these to be discussed. And that too doesn't save you from defending your work, because this is a part of the scientific method.

> Ive done with all the magnet asymmetry  experiments for now, that I chose to explore, several years ago.
As you have said, not enough to over come friction / other problems.
     I wish you good luck and good hunting in your experiments.

I have been in this forum for many years, and i have not seen your experiments about asymmetry. I think you try to discredit me once every month, people better don't talk to me, avoid conflict and submit to tyrants.

I think my spring scales have arrived.

[kolbacict]

With a powerful neodymium magnet you can i think. One taken from an old hard drive, maybe, or maybe it's not strong enough.

A whole bunch of that. no problems.
But, it seems to me there is no fundamental difference between a neodymium and a ferrite magnet.
the device on a powerful magnet will spin faster, but on a weak one it will slow down.
If at all will rotate ...
p.s. Why are there no avatars on this forum?