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Why Over-Unity is Possible

Started by pauldude000, November 16, 2016, 09:39:04 PM

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Overunity is NOT possible, energy is conserved in our universe. But we don't care about type 1 perpetual motion machines, we're here to get around the problem.

The main point is that the system must be only apparently overunity, freely recovering energy from a place where it is useless (ZPE, heat...) to put it where it is needed.

Remember that the goal is NOT to get overunity but to get free energy. It does not matter which method is used as long as the result is there. Don't be ideological, but pragmatic.


seychelles

THE MOTHER AND FATHER OF FREE ENERGY IS EFFICIENCY, AND ONE NEEDS
TO KNOW WHERE THE ENERGY IS COMING FROM.. THE MOST ABANDON ENERGY
SOURCE IS HEAT ENERGY..AND YET NOT ONE HAS CREATED A FREE ENERGY HEAT PUMP
MACHINE.

lancaIV

Hello seychelles,
the free electric heat pump exists, it is called  reversible thermoelectric converter !

to differ : efficiency eta= <100%
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCarnot-Wirkungsgrad

and the coefficient of ( work cycle)  performance :  C. O. P.  : > 100%
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLeistungszahl



1982: Ex-GDR Dr.Helmut Reichelt et al.

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19910228&CC=DD&NR=287597A5&KC=A5#

( you have to go to " original document" and then translate German to f.e. English )

He is on a good way  ;) to reinvent the above relatively easy method
https://overunity.com/18179/solving-the-energy-leakage-problem-with-my-batteries/msg532602/#new



1994 : Dr. Joseph C. Yater

   As heat pump, refrigerator, amplifier (generator, loudspeaker,.....)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19941018&CC=US&NR=5356484A&KC=A#

Similar, but not reversible :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20020514&CC=US&NR=6385972B1&KC=B1#

And : http://www.coolchips.gi/technology/ccalc.shtml and " power chips" research

Carnot-thermal dynamic cycle and Carnot electro dynamic cycle ( reversible resonant circuit)

Free energy and over-/under unity devices :the " unity" is not a physical,not a technical, it is a mathematical unit :
                                                               
                                                                 time/ work related
                it is a passive device ( no technical input) then  each energy output = " free energy"             
                physically not over-unity  : solar cells conversion efficiency < 100%, wind force Betz-limit et cet.

it is an active cycle/circuit input unit=1 then the output and process C. O. P.  is a. < 1= under-unity b.>1= over-unity

Electric heat pump ( conventional product air/air) : average  C.O.P. 2,5 from 1 KWh electrical grid power view
  1 KWh consumer power ( end energy)  output ~ 2,5 KWh electric power plant net power( primary energy) input
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.haustec.de%2Fheizung%2Fwaermeerzeugung%2Fwaermepumpen-praxistest-die-effizienz-ist-niedriger-als-erwartet

                                                             C.O.P. 2,5 heat / 2,5 primary energy : circuit factor = 1             

   
                                                             power system losts recuperation
And the final calculation : with better systems you do only produce in our network circuit
"global thermic emission factor 1", a long society way to " global emission factor 0" and later " global emission  near factor -1" which is the target !

                                  We have a "(bad) positive (lagging)efficiency" ~ AIDS POSITIVE ,         

                      but the way is to "(good) negative (leading)efficiency"~ AIDS NEGATIVE

                                         https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor                                 
                    From "lagging power factor society" to "leading power factor society"
                      1             -           ZERO POSITIVE/NEGATIVE -            -1

conradelektro


Overunity is not required and whether energy is conserved or not should not overly concern us when looking for abundant energy around us.

Let's talk for instance about solar panels. If you take electric energy from a solar panel (while the sun shines on it) you get overunity energy and energy is not conserved if you only take planet earth into account. And for all practical purposes planet earth is all that counts when talking about electricity from a solar panel.

The sun will shine at least a further 100 million years; therefore, the sun is an infinite source of energy looked at from planet earth. It is futile to talk about something 100 million years in the future (when the sun has spent more of its energy than today).

So, solar energy on planet earth is "overunity" and energy is not conserved (as long as you forget that the sun is not overunity and conservative in its energy habits in the very long run). But for now (and in the coming at least 100 million years) it can be considered as an overunty source of energy which hurts energy conservation.

In short, let's look for sources of energy which last for millions of years (like light from then sun) and we are done.


In fact, we are done, as long as we accept solar panels as a good source of energy. Then we add wind power, tidal power and geothermal energy. And I am sure more can be found.

Yes, I know, one day the sun will be spent and planet earth will be no more. But that should not limit us to use what is there in front of us for at least 100 million years and we start to worry about overunity and energy conservation if humankind is still alive after 100 million years.