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Overunity Machines Forum



TD replications

Started by Floor, November 18, 2016, 11:14:23 AM

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lancaIV


Floor

What you see is what you get.

@ Hooked again...

Once a dancer always a dancer.

1. The effortless pass through.....
             when the magnets are centered to one another....
is an easy one, as long as you keep every thing true / not flexing out
of square in any way. 

2. The pass through which is near to the end of the magnet walks a very fine line,
in terms of positioning. 

It is the balancing the forces between  4 poles (1,2,3,4).

1/2 of the end / edge of the shifting magnet (1)...
          with
1 of the vertical broad faces of the input magnet (2).
         and
the top side  / broad face of the shifting magnet (3)
        with
the other vertical face of the input magnet (4)

If the "flushness" of the two magnets is off in one direction by very very little,
there is one effect, if its off in the other there is another effect.

Either effect interferes with the ease of the pass through.
..... ..... ..... ..... ..... .....

     in Luc's design
One magnet is the shifting magnet (output).
The other magnet is the pendulum magnet (input)

In luc's design

The pendulum magnet glides over the shifting magnet while flush aligned to
one of the shifting magnets edges.

Then the shifting magnet shifts until its corner / edge is centered below the
the pendulum magnets edge.  Too far !

The pendulum magnet then exits away from the shifting magnet while the center of
its edge rides over the corner / edge of the shifting magnet.
                ok ?
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Problems...

1. Luc's pendulum magnet is approaching the shifting magnet in an arc. 
Its entrance into the shifting magnet's field, ALONG THE PLAIN OF THAT ARC
is against magnetic repulsion. 
If the arc and radius of the pendulum were very very large this force would be very very small. 
                                                  Its not.

2. Had the approach of the input magnet been along the plane of the shifting magnet's broad face,
it is / it would have been almost without magnetic resistance.

3. Luc's pendulum magnet exits after having a maximum output travel by
the shifting magnet.  This seems to maximize out put.  But the sacrifice in
input, as the work to then remove the pendulum magnet, makes that gain into
a loss.
4. The output magnet needs to exit from over the shifting magnet, while it is
centered above it.
5. Don't use a pendulum unless it radius is maybe 15 or 20 feet.


  regards
            floor

norman6538

Floor is right about the alignments and adjustments. I made a quick and dirty one with clamps everywhere for easy adjustments and tweaked it several times. It might take me a couple days to get measurements. The mags have opposite polarities up and there are stops to limit travel. And the single magnet is input and has a left and right pivot on a 12in arc and the 2 mags are the output and have a pivot/arc off to the right and out of camera range that move toward and away from the camera. So there can be output in both directions without the loss of a reset to repeat.
See the photo.   Norman

Floor

           Don't use a pendulum unless the distance from the pivot point
                        to the arc it swings is 15 or 20 FEET.

          I have referred to Luc's wheel as a pendulum.  But it is a wheel.
                            There really is no point to using a wheel.

1. Because the arc is a problem, unless it has a very large curvature (explained above).
          https://overunity.com/16987/td-replications/msg556740/#msg556740

2.            Continuous motion in order to conserve momentum would only
                                         be beneficial if
           the length of time that the input magnet is over the shifting magnet
                                is a long enough time period
                   for the shifting magnet to complete its motion.

                                      That is to say
                         the length of time for the output
                            and then once again or later,
             the length of time for the output magnet to reset / return.
... ... ...
                This would require a long magnet. depending upon both,
                       how quickly the shifting magnet's strokes occur,
                                               and
                          how slow the input magnet travels

Floor

Force is neutral one plane when the magnets are centered, but IN TWO LINES
upon that plain.
                      BUT although
The forces are neutralized in one plain when the input magnet
is at the end of the output magnet, that neutralization is in
                               ONE LINE ONLY. 
                   then fortunately
Force is neutral along the line of travel which we desire it to be.

The drawings below give most of the force directions, but do not
include / detail this last quality.