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TD replications

Started by Floor, November 18, 2016, 11:14:23 AM

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norman6538

My setup has a vertical magnet moving left and right and the flat magnet moving toward me and away from me. The work out is that flat magnet movement. My work out is dismal - 4 1/4 nuts lifted .6 cm. and the travel distance to get that lift pulling the vertical magnet is 1.5 cm and those  4 1/4 nuts are not enough to overpower the repel at that side of the vertical/flat magnet so my rough measurements say UO - under unity. Yes the escape at the center is easy BUT it takes about 2.5 cm to completely escape the flat magnet.

A rapid prototype tip - I used weights on a string and pulley on a stand that I could move around the floor quickly to test work in/out. 
And in the test bed when I move the vertical magnet manually I can see the repel force/resistance by moving the vertical magnet and likewise see the minimal forces when the vertical magnet is aligned at the center of the flat magnet.

The attached photo is a quick and dirty pivot on the left that allowed me to see the attract on the left and the repel on the right. And that repel on the right and attract on the left wants to push the vertical magnet to the left....BUT there is a stick spot on the left but not in the middle . This quick and dirty testbed showed me what I needed to see.

So basically to get useful work out you
1. first have to set the magnets up to harvest that work. - position vertical magnet to the right where there is an opposing repel force requiring some work in.
2. Then you extract that work - the vertical magnet on a pivot slides left
  and Next -
3. you have to reset the device to repeat step 1. - if the vertical magnet is at the middle then it will pull away easily but if too far to the left attraction side it will take extra work to pull it away. 

Then repeat step 1 by repositioning the vertical magnet. 


Norman

Floor

As often as I have goaded you to up the precision on your builds
and measurements and if turn about is fair play then....
I guess its my turn now.

I didn't make it far enough to make measurements today.

The table is screwed to the floor.
The table top is reinforced with lumber.
The test bench is mounted to the table.
The test bench is assembled and tuned up.
The test bench rails are leveled in two directions.
I had to tweak the bearing points on the sliding indicator scale needle / pulley.
It was a sticking a little at the low end of the scale.  Wood warps some times.
I have a couple of magnets mounted.

I don;t have my weight scales and weight bottles set up yet.
And a few other things yet to do...
    Tomorrow...

  Two photos  below

Floor

That's correct Norman,  these designs require 3 inputs for every one output.

That is why the inputs need to be very near to zero work against magnetic forces.

@ all readers

I respectfuly request that other members refrain from
posting in this topic until norman6538 and I have
completed this measurment process.

   best wishes
        floor

Floor

                    The link below is the
MMM    "Magnets Motion and Measurement"     dust bin.

Users can post

Ideas, suggestions, design modifications, requests, have discussions, 
for this topic / at the present time / while Norman and I complete
our tests.

https://overunity.com/18497/floor-sweepings-dust-bin/

Thanks
       floor

Floor

No measurements to post yet.

A video that explains the test sets

                       @
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x80nhtf

@ all readers

I respectfuly request that other members refrain from
posting in this topic until norman6538 and I have
completed this measurment process.
... ... ... ... ... ...
                    The link below is the
MMM    "Magnets Motion and Measurement"     dust bin.

Users can post

Ideas, suggestions, design modifications, requests, have discussions,
for this topic / at the present time / while Norman and I complete
our tests.

https://overunity.com/18497/floor-sweepings-dust-bin/