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TD replications

Started by Floor, November 18, 2016, 11:14:23 AM

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Cairun

Quote from: gotoluc on February 22, 2017, 04:19:58 PM
The 11mm magnet can travel a little more then where I limited them but if its center goes past the side edge of the rotating magnet it won't flip back on its own when the next rotating magnet comes in. That's the main reason for the limiters.


Luc,


Below is the link to a video showing my build which is the same setup as yours except I turned the bicycle wheel into a slide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-BqcWUHmWY&feature=youtu.be
The video shows the sticky spot I've mentioned in my previous post.  This would not affect your linear reciprocating build.  It only affects continuous rotation designs(example: mounting the magnets on 2 bicycle wheels instead of a bicycle wheel+slider setup as you've used in your video).  I guess this renders the "stop and go" mechanism useless then.  Anyway, I look forward to your next build.


Regards,
Alex

Floor

@Cairun

Nice video / device !  thanks

So far, my own attempts at a constantly rotating version
have not worked out. 

Going with the    full stop.... then... next action, 
seems always to give the better results.

Conserving all of the energy of momentum would be nice
but doesn't have to happen... at all.

Our / "the free energy researcher's",  obsession with continuous
rotation has been (perhaps)... one of the primary reasons that these
interactions have been over looked in the past /  for so long.

I'm not phrasing some new law here (heaven forbid) !
             but
Hard right angle interactions, stop actions and reciprocation .... works....
circular hasn't !  Curious don't you think ?
...
...
A longer stroke in the output will have a more extreme drop off in
force... near the end of that stroke.  That force while it may otherwise be "wasted" 
would also be difficult to practically utilize, (staying near to the average force is good)
................
I think maybe, a longer  INPUT  stroke might be the first thing to try to expand.
i.e yet longer magnets in what is already their longest dimension
                                   or two magnets end to end
...............
Next.... maybe a wider  "output magnet"  width ? .....and cascading

just my take on it
                     regards
                        floor

Cairun

Floor,

Thank you!

Quote
Going with the    full stop.... then... next action, 
seems always to give the better results.

Conserving all of the energy of momentum would be nice
but doesn't have to happen... at all.

I agree, the "full stop....then...next action" is necessary.
And conservation of all momentum is not necessary to achieve OU, although it would be nice if that were possible.

Quote
Our / "the free energy researcher's",  obsession with continuous
rotation has been (perhaps)... one of the primary reasons that these
interactions have been over looked in the past /  for so long.

Perhaps, that's true.  I am always too eager to reach the end goal and overlook certain subtle but important details.

Quote
A longer stroke in the output will have a more extreme drop off in
force... near the end of that stroke.  That force while it may otherwise be "wasted" 
would also be difficult to practically utilize, (staying near to the average force is good)

I agree, and the extreme drop off ultimately turns into a sticky spot.  Finding the limits of the stroke is essential in maximizing the output.  Although, a 60% excess of output to input is pretty good too.

Quote
I think maybe, a longer  INPUT  stroke might be the first thing to try to expand.
i.e yet longer magnets in what is already their longest dimension
                                   or two magnets end to end
...............
Next.... maybe a wider  "output magnet"  width ? .....and cascading

I agree, increasing the both magnets' length will increase the output force.  And increasing the output magnet's width will increase the length of the output stroke.  Although, I think input work required may increase as well.  However I don't know if the increase in input vs output will proportional.

Additionally, The sticky spot is irrelevant now that I've had some time to think about it. 
Stepping through the operational sequence I see now that the input magnet will move away before the output magnet moves beyond the 11mm of stroke.  A huge brain fart on my part...  I will continue to develop my "stop and go" mechanism.

Best regards,
Alex

gotoluc

Quote from: Cairun on February 23, 2017, 12:02:35 AM

Luc,


Below is the link to a video showing my build which is the same setup as yours except I turned the bicycle wheel into a slide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-BqcWUHmWY&feature=youtu.be
The video shows the sticky spot I've mentioned in my previous post.  This would not affect your linear reciprocating build.  It only affects continuous rotation designs(example: mounting the magnets on 2 bicycle wheels instead of a bicycle wheel+slider setup as you've used in your video).  I guess this renders the "stop and go" mechanism useless then.  Anyway, I look forward to your next build.

Regards,
Alex

Nice and clean build Alex. Thanks for making a video.
I understand now what you're trying to do which won't work that way as you've concluded.
You don't want to use the (11mm) magnet to exit because of a sticky spot in that dimension. Use the other magnet to exit since it has next to no sticky spot.
It would take too much writing for me to describe how I envision it all working, so you're going to have to wait for my next video which should demonstrate more of how I plan to solve this.

Hopefully I'll have something next week
Great work!

Luc

Cairun

Quote from: gotoluc on February 23, 2017, 06:22:04 PM
Nice and clean build Alex. Thanks for making a video.
I understand now what you're trying to do which won't work that way as you've concluded.
You don't want to use the (11mm) magnet to exit because of a sticky spot in that dimension. Use the other magnet to exit since it has next to no sticky spot.
It would take too much writing for me to describe how I envision it all working, so you're going to have to wait for my next video which should demonstrate more of how I plan to solve this.

Hopefully I'll have something next week
Great work!

Luc


Luc,


Thanks.  The build took longer than I expected, but I am glad you like it.
I look forward to your next video.


And, thanks for the pointers.
I did, after thinking through the operational sequence, realize the sticky spot is irrelevant and will not pose any problems.


Best regards,
Alex