TD replications

[woopy]

Hi Luc

Yep, don't worry at all, we are here to test everything possible under the "trial and error" rule for the doer. Furthermore ferrite magnets are not expensive, and i will anyway use them for other stuff.
Ah those magnets will keep the mystery  for some more time.
Anyway thank's for sharing your work and for your determination in searching new way for the future.
Keep going on, as i will, once will be perhaps  the.......

Hi webby

thank's for your clear explanation

Good night at all

Laurent

[Cairun]

Oh no Laurent, I now see a terrible error!... the 16.125 inches was for each section of disengage then engage. So the 16.125 inches would have to be multiply by 2 = 32.25 inches of outer rotor traveled for 180 degrees, making the rotor 20.53 inches in diameter and the device under unity from the calculated math.

So the input rotor traveled 6.45 times the distance of the output. So input average is 1.1Kg x 6.45 = 7.1Kg input to 6.25Kg of output so under unity by about 12%

I'm so sorry for your trouble and expenses.
Please accept my apology.

At everyone, please accept my apology for the trouble my over site may of caused

Kind regards

Luc

Luc,


It seems to me, based on your description of measurement steps, that you've accounted for all the input work required for one output stroke.
Your measurement range only needs to be in between when the rotor magnet first feels a magnetic force and when it last feels a magnetic force from the slider magnet.
The graphs from the Excel spreadsheet shows that the pull forces diminishes to almost zero on both ends which indicates that you've accounted for the full range.
Any distances beyond that range should be free wheel.


Regards,
Alex

[gotoluc]

Luc,

It seems to me, based on your description of measurement steps, that you've accounted for all the input work required for one output stroke.
Alex

Yes Alex, I've accounted for all the input work required to produce one output stroke.

Your measurement range only needs to be in between when the rotor magnet first feels a magnetic force and when it last feels a magnetic force from the slider magnet.
Alex

Yes, I understand what you are saying but I don't see that helping as it would not account for the area of rotation where the rotor is being assisted by attraction to the slider, (negative red data) making the result even worse.

The graphs from the Excel spreadsheet shows that the pull forces diminishes to almost zero on both ends which indicates that you've accounted for the full range.
Any distances beyond that range should be free wheel.
Alex

I think there is a miss understanding. A full rotation is 360 degrees and I measured 180 degrees.
There are 2 output strokes for 1 rotor rotation.
I measured the first 180 degrees of the rotor which created 1 output. The balance of the other 180 degrees is for the second output stroke and as I wrote before should be a mirror image of the first measured 180 degree. So how can that be free wheeling?... the same work would have to be put into the rotor to complete the 2nd output.

Kind regards

Luc

[gotoluc]

Dear Webby1

I am re-posting the perfect 5 step illustration Woopy has added at the bottom of the chart you provided.
Do you not see it illustrate a 180 degrees of rotor travel?

The 16.125 inches of rotor distance is 90 degrees worth, so as I previously wrote 180 degrees rotor distance is twice that, being 32.25 inches and 64.5 inches for the complete rotor circumference.

Regards

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hi Luc

Yep, don't worry at all, we are here to test everything possible under the "trial and error" rule for the doer. Furthermore ferrite magnets are not expensive, and i will anyway use them for other stuff.
Ah those magnets will keep the mystery  for some more time.
Anyway thank's for sharing your work and for your determination in searching new way for the future.
Keep going on, as i will, once will be perhaps  the.......

Hi webby

thank's for your clear explanation

Good night at all

Laurent

Bonjour Laurent,

You may want to test Floor's recent suggestion of magnet shielding: http://overunity.com/17097/magnet-force-shield/msg502025/#msg502025

Floor's video demo: http://overunity.com/17097/magnet-force-shield/msg502025/#msg502025

Kind regards

Luc