TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"

[wattsup]

@h2Opower

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@TinMan

One possible way to increase production. If you can find a small aquarium pump X in the direction shown then the return line Y
raised to the left red arrow (or an internal baffle), this will increase the volume change and remove bubbles quicker thus
establishing or maintaining a higher saturation of water between the plates.

Remember your last data shows lower efficiency with higher amps, because at higher amps the space between the plates that is
supposed to be filled with H2O is over-satured by gas bubbles that lowers the "conductivity" thus at higher amps this problem
grows more then the gas.

Question: Above inter-plate spacing, did you first do test with two plates where you can vary the space in between while you
check gas output at a given feed source. If this is not done, how do you know the spacing is optimal. Again your last data shows
there could be a missed variable - that is the same higher amps at higher plate spacing. Just to say, there are many factors
indeed.

Yes the physical vibrating helps but I bet H2O volume change is even more important. If you can keep the water always moving
you should increase gas production in the topology of your build. If you fill the cell with water, then empty the water into a
measuring cup this will give you the volume. then your water pump can be for 1, 2 or 3 volumes changes per let's say one
minute.

Also, maybe this is too simplistic but the idea of what if you had two transformers, one at 180 degrees off phase, both rectified
then connected to your cells as follows;

Use Variac as AC in too both transformers in parallel.......
1st Transformer after rectified connect negative to center plate and positive to the end plates.
2nd Transformer after rectified connect negative to the end plates and positive to the center plate.

Last thing, I grabbed an image on my Hydrogen 2 video and explain an alternative to how the gas is actually made. This method
would mean there is no electron being cascaded anywhere as @ramset had referred to that article of "how conductivity happens
in water". Basically, it's the minerals that have an affinity for "electrified" plates that dart towards the plate so fast that they go
straight line and cut a micro stream, of fractured H2O into their constituent parts. This would be major shift from the standard
physics explanations. I could provide more detail that would give guys some fresh angles.

wattsup

I wonder, what if a small the water pump was gas run. hehehe

[Magluvin]

@h2Opower

Please resample your image size before you post, or edit your posts with small resampled images.

@TinMan

One possible way to increase production. If you can find a small aquarium pump X in the direction shown then the return line Y
raised to the left red arrow (or an internal baffle), this will increase the volume change and remove bubbles quicker thus
establishing or maintaining a higher saturation of water between the plates.

Remember your last data shows lower efficiency with higher amps, because at higher amps the space between the plates that is
supposed to be filled with H2O is over-satured by gas bubbles that lowers the "conductivity" thus at higher amps this problem
grows more then the gas.

Question: Above inter-plate spacing, did you first do test with two plates where you can vary the space in between while you
check gas output at a given feed source. If this is not done, how do you know the spacing is optimal. Again your last data shows
there could be a missed variable - that is the same higher amps at higher plate spacing. Just to say, there are many factors
indeed.

Yes the physical vibrating helps but I bet H2O volume change is even more important. If you can keep the water always moving
you should increase gas production in the topology of your build. If you fill the cell with water, then empty the water into a
measuring cup this will give you the volume. then your water pump can be for 1, 2 or 3 volumes changes per let's say one
minute.

Also, maybe this is too simplistic but the idea of what if you had two transformers, one at 180 degrees off phase, both rectified
then connected to your cells as follows;

Use Variac as AC in too both transformers in parallel.......
1st Transformer after rectified connect negative to center plate and positive to the end plates.
2nd Transformer after rectified connect negative to the end plates and positive to the center plate.

Last thing, I grabbed an image on my Hydrogen 2 video and explain an alternative to how the gas is actually made. This method
would mean there is no electron being cascaded anywhere as @ramset had referred to that article of "how conductivity happens
in water". Basically, it's the minerals that have an affinity for "electrified" plates that dart towards the plate so fast that they go
straight line and cut a micro stream, of fractured H2O into their constituent parts. This would be major shift from the standard
physics explanations. I could provide more detail that would give guys some fresh angles.

wattsup

I wonder, what if a small the water pump was gas run. hehehe

Hey Watts

Totally agree with forcing the bubbles off the plates and in the areas between plates.  Recommended pumping water through earlier.

What sort of camera did you use to take the pics and vid?

Mags

[Cherryman]

Hey Watts

Totally agree with forcing the bubbles off the plates and in the areas between plates.  Recommended pumping water through earlier.

What sort of camera did you use to take the pics and vid?

Mags

This reminds me of a ( i think) Japanese professor a few years back.
Not sure he did it to release the bubbles easier, but he had good production.
I searched for the little clip, but can not find it anymore.


His setup was vertical, plates stacked above each other, only connected on one side , so the plates had a little freedom to resonate.

[tinman]

Brad, because the cell plate spacing is very small, the conductivity of the tap water is high enough to cause a large current at relatively small voltages. Tap water I've tested has a conductivity of around 200 microSiemens.  So you are basically doing normal electrolysis. Low V and high current. You need to start diluting the tap water with distilled water from the supermarket. This will allow you to pass much higher voltages for the same current.  The distilled water is demineralized but it will conduct some current because it is not ultra pure. For that you need 18 meg water which is even more demineralized and degassed as carbon dioxide from the air very quickly dissolves in it and conducts as it becomes carbonic acid. Even then , the 18 meg water conducts a very tiny amount because water molecules disassociate into H+ and OH- in a very small extent naturally and will conduct with a resistivity of 18megaohms cm  , hence the name of the ultra pure water.  I've briefly tested 18M water for insulation by trying to pass about 50KV through a 20cm column and could not get a spark out of the other end, although the small Tesla coil was capable of 1.5 inch sparks. The supermarket water should be plenty good enough for most tests.


Ed, have you been able to produce more moles of gas per mole of electrons as predicted by Faraday using your setup, based on a single cell ? If so do you have some examples of avg current ,time, gas volume at room temp and pressure and number of cell plates?


Cheers Pomo.

Hi Pomo

This is the low voltage/high current test. I am using KOH as an Elite ATM.

These tests are to get a base line efficiency of the cell,in standard HHO production methods.

When we switch to the high voltage setup,i will be using rain water.


Brad

[tinman]

@h2Opower

Please resample your image size before you post, or edit your posts with small resampled images.

@TinMan

One possible way to increase production. If you can find a small aquarium pump X in the direction shown then the return line Y
raised to the left red arrow (or an internal baffle), this will increase the volume change and remove bubbles quicker thus
establishing or maintaining a higher saturation of water between the plates.

Remember your last data shows lower efficiency with higher amps, because at higher amps the space between the plates that is
supposed to be filled with H2O is over-satured by gas bubbles that lowers the "conductivity" thus at higher amps this problem
grows more then the gas.

Question: Above inter-plate spacing, did you first do test with two plates where you can vary the space in between while you
check gas output at a given feed source. If this is not done, how do you know the spacing is optimal. Again your last data shows
there could be a missed variable - that is the same higher amps at higher plate spacing. Just to say, there are many factors
indeed.

Yes the physical vibrating helps but I bet H2O volume change is even more important. If you can keep the water always moving
you should increase gas production in the topology of your build. If you fill the cell with water, then empty the water into a
measuring cup this will give you the volume. then your water pump can be for 1, 2 or 3 volumes changes per let's say one
minute.

Also, maybe this is too simplistic but the idea of what if you had two transformers, one at 180 degrees off phase, both rectified
then connected to your cells as follows;

Use Variac as AC in too both transformers in parallel.......
1st Transformer after rectified connect negative to center plate and positive to the end plates.
2nd Transformer after rectified connect negative to the end plates and positive to the center plate.

Last thing, I grabbed an image on my Hydrogen 2 video and explain an alternative to how the gas is actually made. This method
would mean there is no electron being cascaded anywhere as @ramset had referred to that article of "how conductivity happens
in water". Basically, it's the minerals that have an affinity for "electrified" plates that dart towards the plate so fast that they go
straight line and cut a micro stream, of fractured H2O into their constituent parts. This would be major shift from the standard
physics explanations. I could provide more detail that would give guys some fresh angles.

wattsup

I wonder, what if a small the water pump was gas run. hehehe

Hey wattsup.

Thanks for all your input into this experiment.

What i want to do first,is get to the point of the HV HHO production setup,and then you guys can judge for your self,as to what is taking place.

But lets think about your statement -Quote:Basically, it's the minerals that have an affinity for "electrified" plates that dart towards the plate so fast that they go
straight line and cut a micro stream, of fractured H2O into their constituent parts.

Lets say that you are on the money here.
What happens to the speed of these minerals,when a high voltage pulse is sent between each plate?.
What happens to the speed of the electron,when the voltage potential is increased?.


Brad