TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"

[h20power]

@ Gravityblock,


We are talking about two totally different processes and you are mixing the two up based on someone else's work whom doesn't understand how Meyer did what he did one bit. There is a needed voltage to be at to cause the electrons to leave the atoms they are bound too and that is called ionization. This is the threshold voltage that Meyer is talking about when he told us that the resonant cavities require 1000 volts or more of potential difference per resonant cavity. You see if you never reach these voltages while restricting the flow of amps it simply doesn't work. This is why so many have tried and failed to duplicate Meyer's work as they look to others whom have little to no understanding of just what Meyer did to break the bonds of water molecules in a way that is totally outside of Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method.


You want to know just who's experiments I am listening too? My own as I am like Tinman in that I am actually on the ground doing the work following the scientific method as I am no armchair scientist whom never makes it to the lab. You seem to fail to understand one primary thing about this technology and that one thing is that this technology is new to the world of science so you aren't going to find anything to read about it in our old books of science. You see this time you have to be the one that does the work for there simply is no way around that this time around. I understood this many years ago and started in with real world experiments from which to gather my data from.


This technology isn't all that different than ionizing molecular gases. The primary difference is this water molecule is made up of two different atoms who's ionization energies are just about the same being that hydrogen is 1312.0 and oxygen is 1313.9 kJ/mol. From what I have found out actually performing these experiments is in order to separate the electrons from these two atoms there must be a positive and a negative voltage in order to do so which I showed in the pdf file titled, "The Voltage Dissociation of the Water." I also took the time to post the new theory behind this technology which is complete with supporting evidence. I take it you have read none of these, correct?


There is one thing that truly stands out about the work I am doing in comparison to others and that one thing is I am able to put a really high voltage potential difference directly to plates in contact with the water. As of right now I don't know of any one else that is also doing this for they have not made themselves known to me or anyone else for that matter in a public forum. Trust me when I say it isn't easy to put a high voltage potential difference on some metal plates, or tubes in my case, that are in direct contact with water for it is a direct short condition just as Meyer talks about. So, when I talk about this technology you should pay attention as I am actually performing the experiments. When I say we are going to need to know, "The Voltage to Water Breakdown Rate," trust me we will for I am not pulling my information from someone else whom is doing nothing like what Meyer was doing.


In the past I have shown just how I have the VIC transformer hooked up and guess what it is exactly how Don Gable shows it to be hooked up so no one can say they don't know how to hook it up correctly. The problem is not that they can't learn but rather they refuse to learn how to follow someone else's lead concerning this technology. Just like most people when I first made a VIC transformer and hooked it up to my makeshift exciter array I only got 10 volts to the cell. With a lot of trial and error experimenting I managed to get up to 4.2kv in 2013 which I showed to the whole world at the 2013 Global BEM that was held in Boulder, Colorado. I kept at with many more trial and error type experiments and am now up to 9.4kv of potential difference being applied directly to the water in the exciter array which is to be divided by ten as I have ten resonant cavities in the exciter array I am using. So I am getting close to Meyer's stated requirements of 1000 volts or more of potential difference per resonant cavity now. But as I have stated in the past this is an all or nothing type technology as the atoms aren't going to ionize until the right voltage for them to do so has been reached. For it is no different from boiling water at STP for will the water boil at 94°C? Nope, as this is science and at STP the water will boil when it reaches 100°C not before and the same goes for when the atoms will ionize. This will be the last time I post these pdf files in this thread showing what I have discovered while working at solving Meyer's technology the old fashion way by way of trial and error making use of the scientific method.


Now as far as the water's resistance Meyer had to design the VIC transformer so that it was capable of breaking down all types of natural water sources with the worst case being that of ocean water. I am not there yet but I truly feel I am getting close now to understanding just how to design these VIC transformers and my work does suggest that I am on the right track for I have been increasing the voltage being applied to the exciter array over time.


Ed

[sm0ky2]

H2o nailed it on the head.
You guys are correct to throw away 'electron' based thinking
At high voltages, the electrons all run away.
That is what affects this process. Electrons are what bond the atoms
At the point of ionization the bonds are broken
This happens along the current path.
- which by the way is disturbed by pumps
   Causing the ranges of gas production to occur across
    a larger area. The entire current path moves with the water.


At the same time this current path develops
And begins to discharge the voltage potential
A micro-arc forms inside the current path
These arcs may or may not be visible
Depending on the potential and capacity
of your system.
Temperatures increase inside the arc, lowering impedance.
Which intensifies the arc over a time gradient.
Although not always visible to us, these arcs do still produce radiation
just like any other HV electric arc.
Centered around the UV spectrum where, coincidentally,
water naturally breaks down.
( lightning is responsible for a majority of the natural hydrogen
     in our atmosphere.)




This, combined with a gap distance and resonant cavity tuned to
One of waters natural vibrational/rotational frequencies
Can provide a trifecta of natural separation stages in the Hydrogen Cycle.
Where the energy levels of the water molecule cause it to separate on its' own.


This process is much different from
the brute-force approach with low voltage DC electrolysis.


These processes steer us from electrochemistry into organic chemistry.
Or a sort of 'cyborg' integration of the two.

[Bttr2brnout]

So if you strip all the electrons in order to Ionize the atoms, then shouldn't all the gas be coming off the Cathode?

[h20power]

So if you strip all the electrons in order to Ionize the atoms, then shouldn't all the gas be coming off the Cathode?

No, as the water molecule is made up of two different atoms one is ionized by a positive voltage and the other is ionized by a negative voltage. From my understanding the gas production will take place right in the center of the two electrodes if the positive and negative voltages are balanced.

[gravityblock]

So if you strip all the electrons in order to Ionize the atoms, then shouldn't all the gas be coming off the Cathode?

This is exactly what I've been working on.  I've been designing and building a HHO generator that uses the principals of a vortex air lift pump¹ to raise the water to feed a Kelvin Water Dropper generator to strip the "so-called electrons" for ionization and to build a high voltage potential. 

1.)  Performance Characteristics of Airlift Pumps with Vortex Induced by Tangential Fluid Injection

Gravock