Magnet force shield

[gotoluc]

Yes, you are right "good science" does not know most of the world, but that is not a secret and every "good scientist" knows the very narrow limits.

But have you ever seen a good answer to your big questions in any of the OU forums or in any of the OU books and articles?

I have nothing against looking for new answers, but please do not announce OU or anything new before you really have it. The so called "inventors" in the OU forums always claim something without delivering anything useful. The only things I ever saw were unsubstantiated claims and most of them were pretty stupid, fodder for wishful thinkers.

So for once please deliver or be humble enough to admit that you have no answer either. I really do not like claims which are not supported by facts. Words cause warm air or take up space in a useless post but never generate energy.

You may wish, dream, hope or believe whatever you like. But all this is useless without facts. Please do not mix dreams and facts. The result is nonsense.

Greetings, Conrad

thanks for an honest reply.

We are on the same page. I also dislike all the BS claims going around and try to avoid getting involved in such things. Much of my research are my own ideas. So I can only talk about my own experiments and feel over the years I've tried to do the best of my ability to build and test ideas and devices I put forward with measurement data.
If I make a claim that becomes proven wrong I do admit my error and correct the details provided through video or forum topic.

Have a look at the my newest device I've built and presently testing at this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUlDMY1iE5A

Regards

Luc

[conradelektro]

Have a look at the my newest device I've built and presently testing at this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUlDMY1iE5A

Regards, Luc

@Luc,

I think that you have to take time into consideration. If you want a self turning machine, you have to do "work", to apply "force" is not enough. Force has to be applied longer than zero seconds in order to do work (something useful).


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work = force * time      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(physics)

So, here comes my reasoning (why your measurement is inclomplete and why therefore your conclusion is wrong):

Yes, there is about 500 gramms force in the linear direction (lets call it fl)
Yes, there is about 300 gramms force in the rotary direction (lets call it fr)

But one has to know how long ("time") each "force" has to be applied in order to do the neccesary "work". "Work" is what has to be compared.

I have not figured out yet how you could incorpoarte a "time" measurement in your (very nicely crafted) machine.

One has to find:

tl = time neccesary to do the linear movement
tr = time necessary to do the roation

And then you can ask the real question (how much "work one needs to do" for each of the two movements, lets call it wl and wr)

Is             wl = fl * tl             smaller, equal or larger than         wr = fr * tr             ?

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: Force is nice but you have to apply it for some time in order to do useful work! (Basic physics as tought in high school. But may be the oil industry has bought all schools and this standard science could be wrong. Or I am a troll paid by the men in black.)

[dieter]

I think you can exchange Time by Distance.


Whether you move it slowly or fast, it doesn't matter if the distance is the same. 1 bucket of water, brought from A to B, that is work, without a boss behind your back, bothering you, not to make lunch break of course.

[conradelektro]

I think you can exchange Time by Distance.

Whether you move it slowly or fast, it doesn't matter if the distance is the same. 1 bucket of water, brought from A to B, that is work, without a boss behind your back, bothering you, not to make lunch break of course.

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Sorry, you can not exchange distance and time. This is the error done by Luc in his video (said in other words).

It is very important how much time is needed to move something over a certain distance. Try it yourself. You need much more work (please do not confuse work with force) to move a one kilo stone ten meters in one second than to move a one kilo stone only one meter in a second. You need exactly ten times more work. And to move one kilo over ten meters in one second of course also needs a bigger force than to move one kilo only over one meter in one second. The crucial point is the "one second". Longer or shorter distance in the same amount of time.

You can do with the same force of 1 kilo:

- one kilo over one meter in one second, the work is f * 1 second = 1 * 1 = 1
- one kilo over ten meters in ten seconds, the work is f * 10 seconds = 1 * 10 = 10

Or you can have f1 = 1 kilo and f2 = 10 kilo then:

- the work to move one kilo over one meter in one second is 1 * 1 = 1 (f1 * 1 second)
- the work to move one kilo over ten meters in one second is 10 * 1 = 10 (f2 * 1 second)

You should believe that "work = force * time" and absolutely not "work = force * distance". The time component is all important to compute work.

Time is yuge and total loosers who confuse time and distance or force and work, to say it like Donald Trump.

Greetings, Conrad

[conradelektro]

O.k., I am the total looser, because I confused "work" and "power".

Right, to compute work, the distance is important. It is work = (force * distance). And therfore the work was computed correctly.

But the power was not taken into consideration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_(physics)

Power is the amount of energy consumed per unit time.

So, to compute the power of each movement (linear or rotary) one has to take time into consideration.

One has to know  (power = work / time), in other words one has to know the time for each movement in order to come up with the neccesary power for each movement. And then the two powers have to be compared.

So, the result of Luc needs a time component in order to do a useful comparison.

I leave my to wrong post above as they are. It allows the OU-believers to make fun of me which will produce OU.

Greetings, Conrad