Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor

[Jack Noskills]

Itsu, the following test sequence should be informative. Take the 275 kHz system, disconnect the FWBR and pulse it at its resonant frequency using 50% duty cycle. Measure voltage and current in the drive to get (U1,I1). Then measure electric field potential (sine wave peak to peak) and current using current probe at one wire end in the output side to get (U2,I2). There are current oscillations visible in I2 though the wire is not connected to anywhere ? I could feel something by hand with my test system when I hold the enameled wire and made the white spark. Sensation was the same before spark was formed and during the spark so something is there. I think it is the electric field and with that there is magnetic field also which current probe should be able to show. If so, then putting second current probe at the opposite end of different coil should show current oscillations which has 180 degree phase offset compared to other end. woopy's scope shot on page 7 showed strong current oscillations with load attached. If they are present also without load then it would confirm the presence of magnetic field potential. This would be valuable information from theory point of view.

Next add the FWBR and 470uf capacitor and again check U1,I1 and U2,I2. They should not change. Now connect ground to negative terminal of capacitor and put some resistive load across it, then check U1,I1 and U2,I2. Again these should not change. If there is a change then putting blocking diodes between coil end and bridge should prevent it (can this change resonant frequency?). Finally move the probes from the output side to FWBR and measure voltage in the capacitor and current when load is connected to get (U3,I3). While you are at it, decrease the duty cycle of the drive pulse as long as power is generated and test how short pulse is still working (if not already done).

This test sequence should confirm that:
- Oscillating fields remain intact when power is pulled from the DC capacitor.
- U3 equals U2*U2.
- I3 is related to oscillating frequency and it is greater than I2.
- U3>U2 and I3>I2 proves the existence of energetic component which charges the capacitor by energetic to electric induction.
- Output power exceeds the input power: U3*I3 > U2*I2 > U1*I1.

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From theory point of view there should exist a power of four relation between the coil capacitor's capacitance (C) and the amount of induced charge in the charge collecting capacitor per cycle. This is because there occur two rate of changes. First happens in magnetic to energetic induction that creates the energetic current flow and the second in DC conversion which is done by energetic to electric induction as energetic component changes direction between two unequal magnetic field potentials. So when C is increased two times the amount of induced charge should be increased sixteen times.

One possibility to test this quickly is to use the inner coil pair for energy collecting and the outer coil pair for pulsing. When the capacitance of the energy collecting coil capacitor changes from 1.95nf to 2.3nf the output amperage should increase 1.935 times (2.3/1.95 to power of four) if electric field potential remains unchanged. Electric field potential can be matched by adjusting the voltage of the drive pulse. In case this relation is 'only' power of two then amperage should increase 1.39 times. What is the capacitance of a 50% turn offset coil system, maybe that could be used in this test ? Instead of measuring amperage at the output you can measure the optimum series capacitor value which tells the amount of induced charge per cycle: Q=U*C. The measurement procedure is explained in the new version of the pdf, see equation (5).

If the above test did not give conclusive result the capacitance difference can be increased by using layered coil pairs which should have greater capacitance. Test them both ways to get a valid comparison result between the two. Core diameter can be different but the number of layers and turns per layer should be the same in both coil pairs. The first coil pair can be done using about ten meters of wire and the second will need a bit more due to increased diameter. Add some insulation between the coil pairs. More layers should give better result so at least four layers should be used. For simplicity zero turn offset can be used in this test setup.

Adjusting the drive pulse voltage increases the ring down which will in turn increase the output power, both volts and amperage are increased. If 5 volts resulted in 8 volts ring down then it should be possible to increase it easily to 15 volts by adjusting the drive pulse. This should charge the capacitor to 225 volts so be careful should you decide to try it out.

Attached is the pdf with some updates. There is a section that explains the reason for law squares (and possibly beyond) and how it affects to system, see 'Definition of rate of change'. Updated 'Conversion to hot electricity' based on the new finding which can be confirmed or proved to be wrong with the proposed capacitance test. The pdf has some error fixes related to resonance and coil capacitor impedance. Couple of new coil capacitor systems are presented at the end. Maybe fourth order rate of change can be found with the face to face spiral coil system if it exists, see figure 11.

[itsu]

Itsu, the following test sequence should be informative. Take the 275 kHz system, disconnect the FWBR and pulse it at its resonant frequency using 50% duty cycle. Measure voltage and current in the drive to get (U1,I1). Then measure electric field potential (sine wave peak to peak) and current using current probe at one wire end in the output side to get (U2,I2). There are current oscillations visible in I2 though the wire is not connected to anywhere ? I could feel something by hand with my test system when I hold the enameled wire and made the white spark. Sensation was the same before spark was formed and during the spark so something is there. I think it is the electric field and with that there is magnetic field also which current probe should be able to show. If so, then putting second current probe at the opposite end of different coil should show current oscillations which has 180 degree phase offset compared to other end. woopy's scope shot on page 7 showed strong current oscillations with load attached. If they are present also without load then it would confirm the presence of magnetic field potential. This would be valuable information from theory point of view.

Next add the FWBR and 470uf capacitor and again check U1,I1 and U2,I2. They should not change. Now connect ground to negative terminal of capacitor and put some resistive load across it, then check U1,I1 and U2,I2. Again these should not change. If there is a change then putting blocking diodes between coil end and bridge should prevent it (can this change resonant frequency?). Finally move the probes from the output side to FWBR and measure voltage in the capacitor and current when load is connected to get (U3,I3). While you are at it, decrease the duty cycle of the drive pulse as long as power is generated and test how short pulse is still working (if not already done).

This test sequence should confirm that:
- Oscillating fields remain intact when power is pulled from the DC capacitor.
- U3 equals U2*U2.
- I3 is related to oscillating frequency and it is greater than I2.
- U3>U2 and I3>I2 proves the existence of energetic component which charges the capacitor by energetic to electric induction.
- Output power exceeds the input power: U3*I3 > U2*I2 > U1*I1.

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From theory point of view there should exist a power of four relation between the coil capacitor's capacitance (C) and the amount of induced charge in the charge collecting capacitor per cycle. This is because there occur two rate of changes. First happens in magnetic to energetic induction that creates the energetic current flow and the second in DC conversion which is done by energetic to electric induction as energetic component changes direction between two unequal magnetic field potentials. So when C is increased two times the amount of induced charge should be increased sixteen times.

One possibility to test this quickly is to use the inner coil pair for energy collecting and the outer coil pair for pulsing. When the capacitance of the energy collecting coil capacitor changes from 1.95nf to 2.3nf the output amperage should increase 1.935 times (2.3/1.95 to power of four) if electric field potential remains unchanged. Electric field potential can be matched by adjusting the voltage of the drive pulse. In case this relation is 'only' power of two then amperage should increase 1.39 times. What is the capacitance of a 50% turn offset coil system, maybe that could be used in this test ? Instead of measuring amperage at the output you can measure the optimum series capacitor value which tells the amount of induced charge per cycle: Q=U*C. The measurement procedure is explained in the new version of the pdf, see equation (5).

If the above test did not give conclusive result the capacitance difference can be increased by using layered coil pairs which should have greater capacitance. Test them both ways to get a valid comparison result between the two. Core diameter can be different but the number of layers and turns per layer should be the same in both coil pairs. The first coil pair can be done using about ten meters of wire and the second will need a bit more due to increased diameter. Add some insulation between the coil pairs. More layers should give better result so at least four layers should be used. For simplicity zero turn offset can be used in this test setup.

Adjusting the drive pulse voltage increases the ring down which will in turn increase the output power, both volts and amperage are increased. If 5 volts resulted in 8 volts ring down then it should be possible to increase it easily to 15 volts by adjusting the drive pulse. This should charge the capacitor to 225 volts so be careful should you decide to try it out.

Attached is the pdf with some updates. There is a section that explains the reason for law squares (and possibly beyond) and how it affects to system, see 'Definition of rate of change'. Updated 'Conversion to hot electricity' based on the new finding which can be confirmed or proved to be wrong with the proposed capacitance test. The pdf has some error fixes related to resonance and coil capacitor impedance. Couple of new coil capacitor systems are presented at the end. Maybe fourth order rate of change can be found with the face to face spiral coil system if it exists, see figure 11.

Hi Jack,

ok, got some time to do some tests, but your above input is massive, so will take small steps only, like the black highlighted part for now.

Using my double bifilar coil (see post #176) as shown in your PDF fig. 6 without the diodes, GDT, load and interconnections.

Input from my FG is on the fig. 6 upper bifilar coil, ground FG to the left blue connection, "plus" FG to the right red connection.
See diagram 1
Tuned to resonance (291Khz) shows as input signals the screenshot 1 and as calculated input power 38mW.
Yellow is voltage across the input coil, green is the current into the input coil, red is the math trace voltage x current.

The output is the fig.6 lower bifilar coil, ground scope to the left blue connection, scope probe to the right red connection, see again diagram 1
Still tuned to resonance (291Khz) shows as output signals the screenshot 2 and calculated output power 322uW 
Yellow is voltage across the output coil, green is the current into the output coil, red is the math trace voltage x current.

FG was set to 10Vpp square wave AC 50% duty cycle.

So we have minimum current detected in the output coil resulting in minimum output power measured (322uW)

   
Itsu

[itsu]

If so, then putting second current probe at the opposite end of different coil should show current oscillations which has 180 degree phase offset compared to other end.
woopy's scope shot on page 7 showed strong current oscillations with load attached.
If they are present also without load then it would confirm the presence of magnetic field potential.
This would be valuable information from theory point of view.

So next step is to use a 2th current probe to measure the current on the output coil, but on the opposite coil/side, see diagram below for locations of voltage and current probes.
The resulting outputs are in the screenshot.

Yellow voltage across the output coil, green the original current on one side of the output coil (CP1), purple on the other side of the output coil (CP2).

It shows an almost 10 times higher rms current on the opposite side of the output coil (CP2) as compared to the original side (CP1).
Confirmed by swapping over the current probes.


Concerning the phase, the currents (green and purple) show the same phase, however that is easily changed by turning over one of the current probes, so that is not clear what it is normally.
In the diagram i have noted with a red arrow the measurement direction of the current probe.


Itsu

[itsu]

Concerning the phase difference between voltage  (yellow) and current (green / purple) in the above screenshots, it should be noted that in an inductive
circuit as this is, the voltage should be leading the current.

So the current traces (current probes) should have been reversed (180°) as they should lag the voltage.
I think i do have the 2 current probes relation correct (in phase).

The 8pF / 10MOhm scope probe will cause a load to the 291Khz signal of about 68 Ohm

(http://www.66pacific.com/calculators/capacitive-reactance-calculator.aspx)

No idea why i see 2 different current amplitudes (x10) at the both output coil ends.


Itsu

[gyulasun]

Dear itsu,

A 8 pF capacitor has  68,366 ohms  i.e 68.3 kOhm capacitive reactance at 291 kHz.
(English usage difference between comma and decimal point in the calculator you linked to.)

Gyula