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Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor

Started by Jack Noskills, February 09, 2017, 07:41:34 AM

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itsu


I was asked by Jack a few days ago to do some testing for him regarding this thread.
I decided to agree, but had some initial questions which i send to him, but up till now i have had no response back from Jack.
So i will start posting here and in due time Jack can start replying and hopefully others will also comment as we (i) will depend on that.


Allthough i offcourse knew about this thread, i did not engage up till now because frankly allthough i understand the theory (not sure about its validity though), i
had problems with Jacks drawings / physical setup.

As a simple replicator i need to "see" the physical thing to be able to build it and the in the PDF given diagrams are not enough for me to visualize it.
There are too many vague statements pointing to those diagrams which i cannot match with what i see.

Anyway, as i understand it, Jack has no good equipment other then some multimeters and lacks both a fast internet link and a good camera for making videos/pictures
and uploading them.
He also then cannot see any uploaded videos/pictures from others which makes it a challence working with him.

But as this setup (bifilar capacitive coupled coils) reminds me of an early promesing project from Tinman i agreed to give it a go.


Jack asked me to first build 2 bifilar coils ontop of each other like so:

1. Two coils using ten meters of 0.3 to 0.5 mm enameled wire wound tightly side by side on a plastic tube (diameter 3 to 5 cm): result is a dual helix coil.
   This will be the primary coil capacitor that you will pulse with signal generator that is connected to opposite ends of different coils.
   Pulsing like this creates the most efficient pulses since resistance and impedance are both zero in the primary side.
2. Next add plastic layer so that you get a smooth surface for the second coil.
3. Wind a second dual helix coil on top of primary that is exactly the same like the first one.
   Surface area of the wire controls the amperage and larger area means more amps at the output.
   Add a layer of transparent insulation to protect the wire from scratches.
   You can also see if the coil system is leaking into air (white dots appear).
   You can experiment with turn offset later.


He continued with:

Rest of the testing details are explained in the 'Signal generator testing guidelines' section.
Ten meters of 0.5mm wire around 5cm tube using 50% turn offset had resonant frequency at 10.3 MHz in one test system.


After building these coils according to the above given 3 steps i ended up with a 6cm long (short) coil on a 5cm diameter PVC former using
2 layers of 2x 63 turns (126 turns) of 0.5mm magnet wire, see picture 1   

Trying to determine the resonance frequencies is difficult as it changes with nearby objects (hand) and loads (FG).
It boils down to about 3.5Mhz for each individual coil (we have 4 of them) and we have a 292Khz like resonance component when using two opposite coil ends
(so capacitive coupled coils).

The part about the "Rest of the testing details are explained in the 'Signal generator testing guidelines' section." is where i am now (see pdf below), but i am having
difficulties in understanding how and where Jack thinks i should connect the FG to test this setup.
The main problem is that my FG and scope have grounded return leads, so a ground loop is quickly made which will influence any results heavily

So hopefully Jack and/or anybody else can give further instructions on how to continue from here.

Jacks PDF:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/dlattach/attach/165932/


Regards Itsu

Void

Quote from: itsu on January 03, 2018, 10:08:36 AM
1. Two coils using ten meters of 0.3 to 0.5 mm enameled wire wound tightly side by side on a plastic tube (diameter 3 to 5 cm): result is a dual helix coil.
   This will be the primary coil capacitor that you will pulse with signal generator that is connected to opposite ends of different coils.
   Pulsing like this creates the most efficient pulses since resistance and impedance are both zero in the primary side.

Hi Itsu. I assume this came from Jack. The last line I quoted above does not make
sense to me. If you have two wound coils side by side like that, they should have a capacitance
somewhere in the pF range, I would guess, so there should be an impedance associated
with that capacitance, which will depend on the operating frequency. Is Jack saying to connect
the ground lead of the signal generator to one end of the two coils, and to connect the red lead
of the signal generator to the opposite end of the other coil? If so, you will have a capacitance between
the two coils, and this capacitance will translate to an impedance when pulsed with a signal generator.

P.S. It is hard to imagine that a person these days doesn't have access to a half decent digital camera or
a cell phone or tablet or whatever, or can't borrow one...

All the best...

itsu


Hi Void,

yes, that 3 steps plan building the coils came from Jack.
He indeed suggest to use this capacitive coupled (so open ends) bifilar first wound coil as the drive coil for use with a FG.
I measure this driving coil to be 2.3nF.

He explains it this way:  "Pulsing like this creates the most efficient pulses since resistance and impedance are both zero in the primary side."
This is to me one of those vague statements i was talking about as the resistance will be very high (not zero) and impedance indeed depending on frequency, but also not zero.

Anyway, we will have to wait for Jack to further explain.


Itsu 

Void


itsu

To confirm the above statement from Jack (Ten meters of 0.5mm wire around 5cm tube using 50% turn offset had resonant frequency at 10.3 MHz in one test system.),

i made 2 different coils on a 5cm diameter PVC former using 0.5mm (AWG 24) magnet wire.

One coil is closely wound (no interwinding space), and the other has a 50% offset, meaning 0.5mm between each winding.

Carefull measurment of these coils shows via severall ways that the closely wound coil (3cm long) has a resonance frequency of 3.13Mhz, while
the 50% offset wound coil (6cm long) has an Fres of 3.9Mhz, so not even half of the above mentioned 10.3Mhz.

This shows to me that it will be very difficult to take steady measurments as slight changes will influence the results.

Anyway, here a short video about these 2 coils setup and the measurement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-b1b6rTNLI


The screenshot shows the response of the both coils to a pulse (purple)
Yellow is the closely wound coil,
blue is the 50% offset coil.


Regards Itsu