Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form

[pomodoro]

Doubtv  there is anything OU in this. I discovered years ago that it works well without the special  winding. A normal solenoid type winding does the job. In the end I figured out that all I was making was a type of permanent magnet when the keeper was put on. The energy you normally get back when the field collapsed is stored as a magnetic field. Then, then you physically apply work in forcing the keeper off, you kill the magnetic field and you get back the energy through the could.  In other words, energy is stored in a magnetic field for a long time and the same energy is released later on when you collapse the field, except that the action of pulling the keeper off costs you extra work.

[pomodoro]

Doubtv  there is anything OU in this. I discovered years ago that it works well without the special  winding. A normal solenoid type winding does the job. In the end I figured out that all I was making was a type of permanent magnet when the keeper was put on. The energy you normally get back when the field collapsed is stored as a magnetic field. Then, then you physically apply work in forcing the keeper off, you kill the magnetic field and you get back the energy through the coil In other words, energy is stored in a magnetic field for a long time and the same energy is released later on when you collapse the field, except that the action of pulling the keeper off costs you extra work.  It is rather special how the keeper needs to be put on after the current is applied, someone who studied magnets field probably has an answer. I did not take any readings of power in/out.

[tinman]

So,dose the PMH show us a magnetic mono field?

I mean,if there exists a magnetic field within the core,until the loop is broken,then where is north,and where is south(so to speak)-where dose each pole start,and where do they finish ?.

If we know the magnetic field exists within the core,but there is no two pole's--is this not a mono magnetic field?.


Brad

[gyulasun]

Hi Brad,

I think the same question could be asked in connection with a normal toroidal core: we wind say a full single layer coil on it and then we input DC current to the coil (making sure to avoid core saturation). Where are the poles in the closed toroidal core? 
Albeit not as straitforward comparison to a toroidal core case, what happens to the poles when we close the two prongs of a normal horse shoe magnet with a soft iron keeper? (Magnetic field strength strongly gets reduced outside around the original prongs.)

I would not consider the magnetic field in such cases a mono magnetic field, I would call it a closed magnetic field, the magnetic field strength may be uniformly distributed volume-wise inside a toridal core.  And the magnetic N or S poles could not be distinguished from each other in this case by a field polarity meter.  OF course, any assymetry in winding, cross section of the core etc may let some magnetic field leak out what could already be sensed by very sensitive sensors, both strength and pole orientation wise.

Gyula

[tinman]

Hi Brad,

I think the same question could be asked in connection with a normal toroidal core: we wind say a full single layer coil on it and then we input DC current to the coil (making sure to avoid core saturation). Where are the poles in the closed toroidal core? 
Albeit not as straitforward comparison to a toroidal core case, what happens to the poles when we close the two prongs of a normal horse shoe magnet with a soft iron keeper? (Magnetic field strength strongly gets reduced outside around the original prongs.)

I would not consider the magnetic field in such cases a mono magnetic field, I would call it a closed magnetic field, the magnetic field strength may be uniformly distributed volume-wise inside a toridal core.  And the magnetic N or S poles could not be distinguished from each other in this case by a field polarity meter.  OF course, any assymetry in winding, cross section of the core etc may let some magnetic field leak out what could already be sensed by very sensitive sensors, both strength and pole orientation wise.

Gyula

So ,when we pulse a coil that is rapped around a toroid core,the magnetic field continues to exist within that core until we reverse pulse the coil-at which time the magnetic field is now !!spinning!!? in the opposite direction around the toroid core for all time,or until such time as we pulse it once again,with the opposite polarity.

Even though we cannot measure a voltage from the coil,due to the magnetic field not changing in time,we know that the magnetic field still exist within the core-even when you short the two ends of the coil.

So ,not only are we trying to build a new electric field around the coil when we switch polarity,but also trying the reverse the magnetic field that exists within the core it self.

Also,if the fields cannot be distinguished from one another,how can it not be one field?-a magnetic field without a north and south(as we have termed it). It's much like mixing red paint with yellow paint at a 1:1 ratio--we then have only orange paint.


Brad