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The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency

Started by evostars, March 18, 2017, 04:49:26 PM

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TinselKoala

Quote from: Zephir on April 08, 2017, 01:00:30 PM
There are four types of bifilar winding, therefore I don't care which type you actually use - for short coils it actually doesn't matter.
The (pretense of) laughing is everything, what the dull pathoskeptics are usually capable of, once they lack rational arguments.

Wrong again. It actually DOES matter, even for short coils.

You can talk about "rational arguments" all you like. If your premises are false then your conclusions are invalid, even if the form of the argument is correct. And you have stated many false premises here.

Zephir

QuoteThe Tesla bifilar coil behaves in the same way as a straight winding coil in my "Coil Current Direction" demonstrations.

Of course it doesn't - the impedance of coil always depends on its geometry, even for short coil - by your very own argument... :-)

citfta

Quote from: Zephir on April 08, 2017, 11:41:15 AM
Now, enough of twaddling and try to think about this:

The magnets in general attract ferromagnetic material - like the piece of ferrite - without respect orientation of their poles, right? What will happen, if we place another magnet behind this ferrite?

If the 2nd magnet will be equally oriented to polarity of the 1st magnet, then its placement behind the ferrite will just increase the attractive force between them - OK?

But what will happen, if the 2nd magnet will get oriented against 1st magnet in mirror-like way? After then we can achieve the situation/geometry, during which the attractive force of 1st magnet to ferrite will get  exactly balanced with the repulsive force of the 2nd magnet. In another words, the ferrites would move freely along magnets without any cogging, because the magnetic forces of both magnets will compensate mutually. And the magnets would also move along each other without any macroscopic forces.

The final question is, what we could expect, if we would surround the ferrite with coil and if we attempt to collect current induced during mutual motion of magnets and/or ferrite between them.

Intuitively we could expect, that no electromotoric force will be induced within such a coil, because the effects of magnetic field of both counteracting magnets will compensate mutually. The polarity of magnetic field doesn't actually change within ferrite - the magnetic fields of both counteracting magnets will only change its saturation.

But how the situation will change, once we use bifilar coil at the place of collecting coil wound around ferrite? The bifilar coil is sensitive just to changes of magnetization - not the direction of magnetic field - because its wires collect magnetic field in alternating direction. Therefore it can induce the voltage and this voltage will not be affected with back-electromotive force, because the ferrites are already moving freely between magnets. In another words, any electricity induced into bifilar coil in this arrangement will be generated for free.

Of course the moving magnets can be replaced with electromagnets (a pair of bucking coils) with variable magnetic field and to achieve a solid state generator ("MEG") in this way. Its problem is, the variable magnetization of electromagnet cores will be the source of additional hysteresis loses, which may decrease the energy yield. If we use air cored coils, we would need to increase the working frequency of device significantly for to maintain energy density in acceptable range,  so that we'll get the Kapagen circuit.

The part I have highlighted is simply not true.  I have been working with the idea of trying to cancel the cogging effect for about 3 years now.  You are confusing the cogging effect with the generation of bemf.  They have nothing to do with each other.  I have built several different configurations of machines that had no cogging effect but they all still generated bemf.  If you have a design that shows something different then please present it.  I will respectfully then admit I am wrong, but only after you can show that I am wrong.

Respectfully,
Carroll

TinselKoala

Quote from: synchro1 on April 08, 2017, 08:17:42 AM
@Tinselkola,

Where are you Bub? In bed with a hangover?

"The current on charge and discharge would be _infinite_, taking no time, which is what a vertical line means. Infinite slope! A change in charge over +no change in time+" Impossible you say?

You boldly accused me of misunderstanding, misrepresenting and prevaricating: How dare you be so insolent to me you cheap carnival huckster!

Tesla wrote at great length about the infinity of the spark, and spoke of it at conferences with contemporaries like Max Plank and Albert Einstien.

This is the crux of the infinite power of the impulse magnetisem, and not understood by either you or Milehigh!

I supply proof of it in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeJ5wHBpaf4

That is not proof of your contentions, it is merely a poorly performed demonstration where you do
not properly control your variables.


Let's review.
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Quote from: synchro1 on April 07, 2017, 02:26:29 PM
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You're a compulsive psychopath and need help.


Quote from: synchro1 on April 07, 2017, 02:43:06 PM
You're stinking drunk and a slob!

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Barf, blubber puss sucking shyster schwienehunt!


Quote from: synchro1 on April 07, 2017, 03:21:50 PM
Booze hound!

Can't you make up your mind?

In some countries these unfounded insults that you have thrown at me would be grounds for a lawsuit. In some other places, they would get you much worse than that.

Here, all they may get you is derision and BIPS (banning in plain sight, thanks MarkE, we miss you.) But you really should read the TOS again.

Zephir

QuoteYou are confusing the cogging effect with the generation of bemf.

Nope, I don't use these two concepts interchangeably and you're fighting with ghosts. The mirror-like arrangement of magnets eliminates the cogging (variable reluctance effect), the mirror-like arrangement of wires within bifilar coil eliminates the BEMF.